To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

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Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

OP, you do know that teachers can leave the school premises and have a drink at lunchtime, don't you?
No we can't echt

How do you know they were drinking alcohol as opposed to soft drinks?

@whippersnapperwrapper Exactly!

I should really read right through the thread before commenting but never mind

I have 3 DC, 2 have been on multiple trips to France, Italy, China. I am extremely grateful to the teachers for giving my kids such fabulous memory's and looking after them.

On the last trip the coach was stuck in Calais for 48 hours due to the strikes at the port. They took the decision to divert to Belgium and cross there. Although only a relatively short ferry crossing it was extremely rough, and my DS vomited all the way over.
What I have never forgotten is how wonderful his teacher were. One of them was in the toilets puking with them, but stayed with my son all the way home making sure he was ok.

I nurse in A&E for a living and I tell you this now, I could never teach, the responsibility of looking after 30/40 kids in another country is huge. They have my uppermost respect.

I'm sorry school trips aren't for the benefit of the pupils they're so teachers can have a jolly during term time !

In Scouting those 'on duty' for yp cant have a drink. The rest of the team can go off and have a pint...the next night...swop over. Pretty sure it's the same on school residentials tbh.

We had a rota so the teacher on duty might have one glass of wine, the others were free to relax. School trips could be very stressful!

I have fond memories of drinking aged 16 with my teachers in Germany.

I'm sorry school trips aren't for the benefit of the pupils they're so teachers can have a jolly during term time

Seriously? Have you been away with 59 teenagers?

I'm not a teacher and I take kids away voluntarily so I have to use annual leave and can't comment on the term time thing, but a jolly?

All our fun trips were in holidays anyway come to think of it. And I still don't think the teachers were having a ton of fun!

Hope you're not teaching my child. I assume you do get paid for teaching.

DS14 just returned from a half term ski trip. Frankly I'd have sent the wonderful teachers to Italy with a bottle of wine each, I was so grateful! Good god they deserve a glass at the end of the day. Poor buggers, I wouldn't teach, I'm so grateful to those that do.

Don’t judge unless you’re willing to put yourself in their shoes. Too many people here snipe, how many do anything to help other people’s children?

teachers are a protected characteristic in mumsnet land

Constant teacher-bashing on here. Although some brave souls do defend them.
Also constant MIL bashing.
God help you if you're a MIL who teaches

I’m a mil that teaches. And yet I’m lovely

I take it the teachers aren't paying for their holiday. It's not a holiday, it's supervision, and they should not be drinking anything. IMO

Why did you send your child to a dangerous city? 🤔

I wouldn’t necessarily believe what your son says TBH!
But, the teachers don’t get paid extra, there is probably some guidance around it from their school.
Just ask the school if you really want an answer

My kids said having a drink with the teachers (on a ski trip, when they were 18, dds not the teachers) was a really nice thing to do, but their school had brilliant relationships between teachers and students, and no, they did not muck about between bedrooms - wouldnt have been allowed on another school trip if they had. OP you should have a strong word with your child about obeying rules.

I am sure they can still deal with fighting 13 year olds!!! Look up Ideas of Liminality and Heterotopia. These in between and other spaces are vital to Young Peoples Development

Whilst I am grateful that teachers give up their time: Some of the trips are fully funded holidays of a lifetime. Even if you add up the cost of the teachers time.
My dds old head of year and her husband often supervised trips to Canada, USA, Iceland and China. Her husband had retired from the school years earlier! Vastly different from three days fell walking and in the lake district type trips which I am very appreciative of.

Teachers do not have to go on school trips. Teachers might not get paid but they get the trip free and expenses. The purpose of the trip is that they look after the children 24 / 7. Even at 3am in the morning if necessary..... therefore they should not be drinking at all.

Utterly irresponsible. It isn't about them, its about the kids.

I've taken numerous school trips away and we would always have a rota of at least a couple of people not having a drink. If I'm leading the trip I wouldn't have anything anyway as it's too much responsibility and I wouldn't want anything coming back on me in the case of an incident. When I started teaching 20 years ago staff would have a drink but these days it's just not worth it, too much where's there's blame there's a claim! In my experience if the kids see you having a drink and then maybe laughing at the something the rumour goes round all the teachers were drunk! I'd hate parents to think we weren't looking after their kids!

If they were absolutely wankered then I’d say you have a point. However, I’m not going to begrudge them a few cheeky sherbets. If you don’t like it then volunteer to go yourself in future so you can police everybody and everything.

A glass of wine with dinner and an evening drink is fine- presumably most parents might do similar whilst in charge of their own children! Getting absolutely hammered so that they are unable to function as a responsible adult would be something else, but no suggestion that has happened here. Also, kids spying on the teachers have no idea what was in the ‘covktails’- May well have been soft drinks. I often have a tonic with no gin for example.

I always drink tea in the hotel bar. It's true. I'm always the sober one. There will be at least two 'on duty'.