To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

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Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

Awww

Um, thanks. Profound.

If you ask me, the teachers had no choice but to sit in the bar. They had to make sure none of the kids got to it ;)

Do teachers pay anything towards their travel & hotel expenses when escorting children on school trips?

Not usually because x number if supervising adults places are normally given 'for free' by the companies schools tend to book with. Or school funds cover the staff travel and accommodation.

Children are bit usually charged to cover costs. Most school will provide a break down of the costs and these are not usually allowed to cover staffing costs ime.

Teachers normally have to cover their food and drink costs from their own pocket.

Like most professionals going in a business trip teachers aren't usually expected to pay to attend.

They also get no extra money for attending to cover the evenings and nights, weekends or holidays.

I’m a part time teacher and we do residential trips. None of our staff drink alcohol on the residentials. We aren’t allowed to drink at school so we certainly aren’t allowed to whennlooking after 60 children in a foreign country.

I seriously think that most of mumsnet have a alcohol problem. It’s not normal to have alcohol everyday and it’s not right that so many of you use it when you’ve had enough at the end of the day.

Teachers aren’t the be all and end all. I used to work for the nhs before I trained as a teacher and it’s no more stressful.

Teachers used to buy us bottles of cider on school camps, we wod give them the money they'd go to the off licence for us. Year 8.

Yabu why on earth can't teachers have a drink?

My DS is off on a school trip soon and I am very grateful to the teachers who are going and I don't begrudge them wine in the evening at all. I'm shocked by how ungrateful some parents are, but can totally believe it after the last 10 years of observing some parents behaviours towards schools and teachers.

On another note, what is this 'real world' that I hear about? I'm not a teacher, I have my own business, and yet a couple of people have mentioned this real world that they live in and I, apparently, don't. It's very confusing, and I certainly wouldn't want to get into the physics of these different worlds that run parallel to each other, but I suspect that what they mean is 'their world'. Both are slightly self absorbed and struggle to put themselves in others shoes.

Do teachers pay anything towards their travel & hotel expenses when escorting children on school trips?

I hope not. Why should they?

A school I once work out proposed either not paying TAs to go on school trips or asking them to pay a fee to cover the cost of them being there when children went on a day trip. As they had had their hours cut so they no longer worked all day they refused.

This is why I was always first choice for overnighters when I was teaching! I’m teetotal so the teachers knew there would always be one 100% sober person available, although I never saw any teacher have more than two glasses of wine.
I think if they feel a glass of wine is deserved after all they do, why not? But getting wasted is not on.

Is it normal for people to fund work trips out of their own pocket? Had lit never heard of this happening, the norm is that work pays surely?

It was only 25 years ago that we would go to the pub on a Friday lunchtime, have half a lager, then return to teach.

Teachers aren’t the be all and end all. I used to work for the nhs before I trained as a teacher and it’s no more stressful. - says the part-time teacher.

@fishwifecalling I went part time in September due to my child’s health. I’m not sure a lot has changed 8 months!

Don’t sprain your hand clutching your pearls, OP.

Though I’m dying to know just where this perilous hellhole of a city was. Perhaps the teachers needed a stiffener before braving the carnage of downtown Luxembourg.

I went on a school skiing trip when I was 13, there were all different years on the trip. After our evening activity as long as we didn't go outside and made sure we were in our own beds by a certain time, the teachers didn't mind what we did in the evenings. They sat drinking in the bar and we roamed around the hotel and our friends rooms as we pleased!

The issue here is again the OP treating their child’s account as gospel and giving it enough weight to make accusations against teachers.

This is one of the big reasons why we have a recruitment crisis. Teaching is no harder than any other professional job but it is now the least trusted.

I would never suggest this for genuine safeguarding issues but some of the things brought up by parents on here are endlessly petty and , in the end, genuinely unhelpful to their children.

Whilst it feels like that sometimes on MN and in the Fail, that's, happily, not actually true. teachers recently came third in a survey of most trusted professionals.

As long as the teachers don't get drunk and act inappropriately and there is one completely sober member of the team, I see no issue.

I’m a teacher -but in Ireland(thankfully!) and we take our 6th class (last year of primary, 12year olds) pupils to England every year. I don’t drink alcohol at all, but meet my colleagues in the hotel bar at the end of the day-because that’s the logical place to meet up.
However, what surprised me on this thread was the number of teachers who say they never get thanked by either the children or the parents at the end of school trips. I guess the children and parents in our school must be very different so, because they invariably always thank us when they collect the children, as do the children. Perhaps the gratitude disappears in secondary school!

@Piggywaspushed

Well it doesn’t feel like it. This year more than ever there has been an enormous upswing in parents making petty vexatious complaints. It is incredibly stressful for staff. I’ve seen so many colleagues in floods of tears, stressed out and sleepless from relentless parental attacks.

Luckily, our senior managers are supportive. But in other schools staff aren’t so lucky and it has a major impact on teacher mental and physical health.

This year I have been screamed at on the phone, had someone recite a catalogue of my short comings as a teacher (without ever having seen me teach), been told by a parent to change how I was teaching a topic to her preferred method, had a parent accuse me of bullying her son by giving him low behaviour score for his bad behaviour etc. The list is endless. If everyone in my department wrote out all of the incidents they’ve had with parents this year I think you’d all be pretty shocked.

Unsurprisingly their children are just as rude and verbally abusive.

i have x 2 family members as teachers and numerous friends. Plus 3 DC eo have plenty of contact to hear / see what its all about

Oh FFS.....
Because knowing someone in a profession is just the same as experiencing working in the profession. I know someone who is a vet. Do I fuck have any idea what it would be like to WORK as a vet.

It's amazing the number of idiots who spout on about teachers and their easy lives who also have 'numerous friends' who are teachers.
Bullshit.

I dont go on school trips anymore because it is just not worth all the fucking agro and hassle especially from parents. Hats off to all teachers who do it especially in their holidays.

"Teachers aren’t the be all and end all. I used to work for the nhs before I trained as a teacher and it’s no more stressful"

Ha ha. No more ski trips for you then OP!!
Are you a thimble at Christmas person?

I got back yesterday from five days with the year sixes in the lake district. I have been cold and wet for most of the week, managed about 5 hours sleep a night, cleaned up sick, poo and wee and for not one penny more in my wages. Not one parent (even the ones who were 45 minutes late for pick up) came up and thanked me or the other staff. Do I care? Every single one of the children got something out of it, every single one of the children appreciated it and every single one of the children said thanks and meant it. I gave up trying to teach parents long ago because it's their children I care about.

I didn’t say thanks after ds’ residential at the coach but I did leave a card and a box of biscuits in to the school reception the next day.