To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

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Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

I'm still curious about the dangerous city

Teachers do not have to go on school trips

Who will run them if teachers won’t go?

Oh my God ! Hope uptight are you ?
Teachers having a glass of wine together at the end of the day is no worse than parents having a class of wine of an evening.

If your Nosy Parker of a teenager had checked more thoroughly they might have even noticed that not all teachers were drinking alcohol and unless your Asian or Indian most people can tolerate up to half a bottle of wine ...

Why can’t you just be grateful they took the time to take for DC on a trip abroad! If the city were that dangerous they wouldn’t have gone there on a school trip ...

So who else will take the kids?

Tell us what socially responsible job you do?

What? Adults drinking in the presence of little Johnny?! Quick inform the village elders!

Well said Arkenfield.
I am currently on the wine and I have children, shock horror. No not actually. I am fully in control. The teachers are responsible adults and able to make a judgement call. In my experience at least 1 teacher abstains so what’s the prob?

Teachers do not have to go on school trips

Actually that can very much depend on individual schools. Whilst officially teachers may not be obliged to go on school trips, some schools can make it very difficult to say no.
During my NQT year I was very much expected to go on a school residential. It was really quite clear this was something I had to do, in order to progress in the school. And that was actually a pretty decent school to work in, still had certain unofficial expectations though.

I did a couple of Spanish exchanges when I was at school in the early to mid 90’s and there was a bar in the school! We thought it was great to be able to get a drink after classes!

I'm sorry school trips aren't for the benefit of the pupils they're so teachers can have a jolly during term time

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Yes, loved abseiling off a huge bridge, caving on my elbows and knees in the dark and cold water, canoeing in a freezing reservoir, hiking in very cold temperatures in the early hours. Then spending the evenings making sure rampant 14 and 5 year olds stayed in their own dorms, and didn't escape into those of the opposite sex, getting half a nights sleep. All for no extra pay.

Actually, you know what? It was NOT my idea of fun - at all!! It was awful - I am terrified of heights and I hate the dark. I also can't swim very well so I am not confident in water.

However, those teenagers appeared to love it.

This could not be more of a non-event.

I don't think I've ever - either here OR overseas - ever heard of a child, let alone a class, coming to even the smallest amount of harm because the teachers had a glass or two of wine in the evening.

So calm down.

And I also thinking teaching is about as 'real world' as it gets. Much more so than whatever it is some of the numpties on this thread do.

And no, I'm not a teacher. Never in a million years could I do it.

Wow what a horrible thread this turned into. Teacher bashing is a national sport.

Beniejaney for someone with such loathing for the profession you should probably check your spelling and use of the word "bare". Or maybe you were a bit pissed when typing...

Provided there are a couple of them abstaining each evening I am more than happy with the teachers looking after my kid on a school trip having a drink or two in the evening. Hell I'd happily give them a bottle of something to take

However why hasn't OP told us WHAT THIS DANGEROUS CITY IS?!

It’s not normal to have alcohol everyday

Says who? You? Who are you to dictate what is normal. A glass of wine with dinner or a beer at the bar isn't excessive.

@DDNN a fully funded trip? Hmm. Yeah - they get transport and food but they also get your entitled crotch gremlins to look after because their parents couldn’t wait to get rid of them because they know that really teenagers are SOOOO much fun!!

It actually is NOT 'necessary' to drink. This is an absurd claim.
What is they lighted up a joint? Is that ok?
When are the teachers 'off duty' on such a trip? . They aren't really are they? A risk assessment will have been made for the trip and that will not have included alcohol consumption.
Just asked my partner- he is a teacher.

Laughing at the poster who said it's was a fully funded trip of a lifetime
Any trip of a life time I day dream about doesn't include 40 teenagers and their demanding parents!

I think we're going to have to give up on ever knowing what the dangerous city was.

Probably because the OP realises that unless this trip was to Caracas or somewhere like that, she was deliberately using ridiculous hyperbole to justify her frothing about the alcohol, and is going to look something of a fool when she confesses it was somewhere in Europe.

in the evenings not all staff will be on Duty - and the ones on duty will have one glass or none once kids in bed - the rest are off duty - i.e. Not working.
Have you never had a drink in the evening on holiday when your kids are asleep? Not shitfaced, just a drink. The kids sneaking down yo check on teachers sound like brats / no wonder staff needed a drink.

Depends how much they drank, but no I wouldn't like it if they were over the limit. But then I don't generally go away with my kids and get drunk myself and plenty of people do.

Get a grip! If you didn’t see it or hear it then don’t always believe it. Kids embellish and retell incidents differently. I assume given your judgemental comments you never drink when in charge of your kids - good for you.

Does it matter where it is? I can't see that has any relevance as I wouldn't send my kids anywhere dodgy without me, would others? Shouldn't any comments apply to usual school trip locations; UK, Europe etc

I’m a teacher working outside the UK. Our staff canteen had a wine list. We can drink during the school day, on school premises if we want. We are adults, we are treated as adults and professionals. If we were pissed we would be sanctioned. Why should it be any different for teachers using their own free time to provide children with educational opportunities that very many of them would not have otherwise?

Does it matter where it is? I can't see that has any relevance as I wouldn't send my kids anywhere dodgy without me, would others? Shouldn't any comments apply to usual school trip locations; UK, Europe etc

OP said it was a 'dangerous city', so evidently she did send her dc somewhere (she considers to be) dodgy, that isn't one of the usual school trip locations.

There is something called Teachers' Standards: professional conduct. It is their responsibility to act "in loco parentis" and this must take priority over all other considerations. Drinking would have to be pre authorised by the head and if it isn't there could be disciplinary.

I agree with @ShowMeTheKittens - there's no reason why they can't go a couple of days without a drink, alcohol isn't a right or necessity

I don't drink so probably out of kilter here. But the 'parents have a glass of wine' thing isn't the same. I only have my own child, not a whole group of teens trying to sneak in out or into bed with each other and enjoying a taste of freedom away from their parents. I'd expect the teachers to be a bit more alert than i'd be at home with my one child.

however, I do of course understand that people can have one or two wines and still be alert. just not me - i'd keel over.