To think teachers shouldn't be drinking on trips?

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Dc just back from trip overseas. Apparently as soon as they were in their rooms the teachers went to the hotel bar. (The kids snuck down to check on them so they could all go into each other's rooms).Were also drinking wine and cocktails at dinner (before walking kids around an overseas city for an hour to their hotel at 11pm)

Is this normal? In charge of 13yr olds?

I'm quite sad I went to bed before the really hard of understanding turned up last night!

Beniejaney - slow hand clap for managing to provide an entire teaching bashing bingo card all by yourself. Is everything you say delivered in the form of profoundly ignorant cliches, or do you just reserve those for denigrating the teaching profession?

As for the 13 weeks paid holiday: yes, be the last person standing who hasn't realised that that's not how it works

No one knows what drinks the teachers were having. Doubt your child could tell the visual difference between alcoholic and non-alcholic beer or a whisky and ginger ale and a plain ginger ale.

The OP has flounced off clutching her pearls

I’m still trying to think what dangerous city this could be!

Maybe it’s Zurich, I’ve heard all that beautiful clear water can be nauseating.

Or perhaps Venice? It can get quite rainy and the poor little snowflake could have caught a cold.

The OP has flounced of to sit outside her DC's bedroom door, clutching her glass of bitter lemon in one hand (no DRINKING! She's on DUTY! Will no-one think of the CHILDREN!) and her pearls in the other, listening to make sure that DC is breathing in...and out...and in...and out...and berating herself hourly for her move to the Outer Hebrides (how could she have countenanced a move to such a dangerous place? What if her children need to be escorted somewhere late at night and she's just been recklessly swigging the bitter lemons?)

I'm quite sad I went to bed before the really hard of understanding turned up last night!

Awww

I have run trips where us teachers have paid to go so we could take an extra teacher to make it easier and us one or two of us had a beer! We were stying in America where we there was no bar in the hotel and you couldn't drink in the main areas of the hotel so we had an average of three beers during the whole of the 8 days we were away.
How very terrible of us!

Ive worked in teaching and the 'real world' in many capacities. Teaching is harder so im retraining to join nhs. Parents definately dont help.

Did you not provide the teachers with a comprehensive guide to your preferred parenting style OP?Expectations, do's and don'ts, likes and dislikes...? Laminated. In a ring binder?

Yet another person who thinks teachers have 13 weeks paid holiday a year.

Benie - you say you "know enough" but you don't know how teachers' pay and holiday work. So you've shown you don't know enough to comment with any authority.

I know several nurses but that doesn't mean I know enough about their pay and holidays to comment on a thread bashing nurses (not that there ever are any and I know at least nurses don't get paid nearly enough).

To ask those saying teachers shouldn't drink on trips - every trip, bar day trips usually, will have teacher free-time. Often this is in the evenings. Those teachers not on duty that evening are welcome to drink as it's their own time. I've been on many residential trips in my career and have never seen a drunk teacher: one or two glasses of wine rarely cause people to be drunk. We're usually too tired to drink more than one anyway, knowing that chances are the kids will be awake loudly by 6:30am.

Oh, and I love the actual bit of teaching where I'm with the kids and they're learning and we're having fun at the same time. The Government and SLT just put too many other things in place I have to do before, after and during my teaching which suck all the joy out of it.

Doubt your child could tell the visual difference between alcoholic and non-alcholic beer or a whisky and ginger ale and a plain ginger ale

Or a mocktail from a cocktail, or a rum and coke from a coke, Of course they couldn't, even an adult would struggle close up, never mind from a distance. She's no clue what they were drinking or how much they had,

It's the mere thought that any alcohol was consumed, that's had her hoist up the big old judgey pants.

Still dying to know where this dangerous place was she sent her kid to.

All in a hysterical reaction to the fact some of the teachers had a drink with their evening meal.

Parents are the worst thing about teaching at the moment. Not all of them. There are still some good ones. But there is an increasing vocal minority who seem to think that we work for them and they should have total approval over everything we do.

OP- I bet you are one of those parents who thinks they can excuse your kid from a detention. You seem to have a pretty shitty view if the teaching profession. Perhaps protect your poppet by home schooling and do us all a favour!

Teachers are contracted to work 1265 hours a year, which is divided over 39 weeks per year. Teachers do not get paid for any work that they do outside of those hours / weeks. As the Educational Visits Co-ordinator for my school I would expect alcohol consumption to be stated on the very extensive risk assessment and for at least one member of staff depending on the size of the trip to be 'on duty' and therefore not had a drink.

Teaching has to be the most moaned about profession. I really would like to see these snowflake parents teach 30 children.

Such a shame OP has flounced off. I was looking forward to hearing about her precious pickle's trip to Baghdad, Aleppo or Caracas.

I never understand why so many MNetters seem determined to cause trouble for teachers.

I'm a secondary teacher and I enjoy my job. However I don't do residential trips anymore. I think in ten years of doing DofE, camping, ski trips I had 2 sets of kids/parents say 'thank you'.

Our school also brought in a new set of rules (no staff must ever drink on school trips for example) which annoyed me as I feel it showed a lack of trust in the staff.

Well there are some seriously nasty pieces of work on here. The way you are goading and taking the mick out of the op and we wonder why kids bully??? OP if you do decide to come back I would imagine one of the teachers would stay on soft drinks. What gets me is this drinks culture that we have, oh its so stressful must have an alcoholic drink, again what a great example to kids. If life gets tough kids don't worry just hit the bottle!!!!

Should all the teachers on a school trip get rat-faced , vomit all over a child and pass out on the stairs in a pool of urine? No

Can some teachers on a school trip have a couple of alcoholic drinks whilst the rest of the staff drink diet coke or tonic water and remain responsible for the children? Yes

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@bobbybobbins
Teachers are not appreciated. I was recently told that maybe I deserved to be told to piss Off by a yr 5 child on another thread!

Whatsforu

This is nothing, did you see the thread where the teacher had called a woman's son an idiot? That turned into a thread just for people to call the OPs son nasty names.

Teachers do no wrong don't you know.

Maybe don't send your child on a school trip if you don't trust the adults taking them.

Many schools allow staff to have a drink or two with their evening meal on residential. Most parents accept this. After all these adults are looking after their children for no extra money for an extended period of time.

In my experience normally one teacher won't drink each evening or will only have one small glass. The others will only have a couple.

Come in, do you really think all the teachers were getting drink and incompetent? Do you have that little faith in your child's teachers? If so I suggest you re read the first line of my post.

Also bear in mind you only have the reports from a bunch of teens who were already choosing to make wrong choices and not follow rules. Many tees are bit adverse to a little embellishment, esp if they're trying to get themselves out of trouble!

Oh and when Dd was in year 3 for a 4 night residential - the parents bought the teachers a couple of bottles of wine to get them through the week! They had a glass a night. That's not irresponsible.

I didn't see that thread but am not surprised. I get people are going to have different views but its the vile nastiness. Upthread someone accused the kid of telling tales to mummy!!!! You want your kids to be able to speak to you about anything or am I getting that wrong

Qwertylass

That's because you said "how else are you supposed to keep control of a class" in relation to a pupil being called an idiot by a teacher. I don't think that's the best way to keep control of children and if you do think that then I hope to god you don't teach in my children's school.

I think people are rsponding badly because the OP demonstrates why taking a school trip can be such a thankless task.

I can absolutely guarantee that she would not have started a thread saying "My DC have just got back from a school trip overseas and you know what? They had a fabulous time. I am really appreciative that there are teachers who give up their own time to facilitate these trips so that my DC can have a wonderful experience."

No. She only started this thread because she had a complaint and she wanted everyone to validate that. And when they didn't, did she say, "You know what, I'm still not happy with it but I am grateful for those teachers taking that trip and I should probably not just take my child's word for it anyway without knowing all the facts"? No, she just fucked off in a huff.

It gets pretty tedious.

It's still running now, and the abuse is still being thrown at the OP who requested it to be removed but MNHQ won't take it down.