To ask if you would support a second referendum and what would you vote?

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As the title says really, along with whether or not your vote would be different from last time.

What gives you the right

Oh do get off your high horse and stop being so melodramatic. I do not have that right, and I have never claimed that right to decide for the country. And nor do you.

But I do have the right to decide what is best for those that are important to ME. And you have the right to decide what is best for you, and for yours. And Joe Bloggs has the right to decide what is best for him, and Jane Bloggs for her, and so on and so forth. That. Is. Democracy. Every person has the right to vote for the outcome they feel is best. And when those votes mount up, in whichever direction, then that is the way the country goes.

Grow up.

For all those saying "best of three, best of five?" re another referendum (at which the country will be basing their decision on new information from what we had three years ago), what about Theresa May trying to get her overwhelmingly rejected Withdrawal Agreement through Parliament for a third time?!

That is definitely a case of keep going until she gets the result she wants.

Yes.

Remain.

No I don't support the idea of a second referendum. It goes against our whole democratic ideals.

It really, really doesn't .

I voted remain last time. I don’t know if another referendum is for the best, and I’m not sure I fully support it BUT I would vote the same way if there were to be a second referendum.

As Ken Clarke said, the idea that May can continually bring her deal back again and again is somehow ok, and yet putting it to the public would 'risk brexit' and is undemocractic is nothing short of absurd.

Fuck yes there should be a second referendum on the matter, because it's not like the fuckwits in westminster are capable of sorting this out.

But I do have the right to decide what is best for those that are important to ME. And you have the right to decide what is best for you, and for yours. And Joe Bloggs has the right to decide what is best for him, and Jane Bloggs for her, and so on and so forth. That. Is. Democracy.

That is not the form of democracy we have in this country and putting a full-stop after every word doesn't make it so.

I'd vote Leave again without a shadow of a doubt.

I don't support a second vote though - as if the Remoaners don't get the result they like they will want to keep doing it until they do. it'll never end.

I was listening to Phillip Hammond this morning and it was so funny. He one moment said “we have representative democracy in this country, so it’s up to parliament”, (to decide what sort of deal), but also said not delivering Brexit would be a catastrophe for politics in this country .

I do not understand the logic at all. We have representative democracy, so we don’t get a say on the sort of deal we have, or if we can’t get a deal, whether we should just remain, but at the same time, the general public were expected to decide based on very little information whether the country should leave or not? It’s ridiculous.

I have a politics degree and even now I don’t understand it all very well. At the time of the referendum, I understood it even less. Wasn’t the most googled term the day after the result of the referendum “what is the eu?” or something?

I would support another referendum, but what I’d prefer is that the first referendum had never happened in the first place. And Boris Johnson etc should not be allowed to get away with the bollocks they fed people who ended up voting leave based on false information.

That is definitely a case of keep going until she gets the result she wants.

I'd agree with this, and I understand John Bercow has said he is unlikely to permit a fourth time due to parliamentary protocol. As such, next weeks meaningful vote on thr deal will very likely be her last shot at it with this deal. If she doesn't get it through this time, then it will likely be dead for ever.

@Megan2018 then support WA . There is no other way of leaving that is feasible.

No but if we had one I would still vote remain unless there was an absolutely amazing leave deal on the table - 🐷🐷🐷🐷flying

@MadameMim you say leave is best for your family. But you haven’t answered the question - HOW is it best? What are the good points? I think there’s lots of us that would like to know!

Remain and far more emphatically remain again!

The penny is finally dropping with many people that despite the whole 'we can be an Empire / make GB great again' Trumpian rhetoric, we already HAVE the best possible deal...

@bellinisurge
Where did I say I didn't? I don't need advice thanks

@Megan2018 - great, if you want leave and are prepared to support WA. Have you told your MP? Have you made any other noise about it. What are you waiting for, if you haven't?

Oh do get off your high horse and stop being so melodramatic.

I'm not being melodramatic. The consequences of no deal for all those people (and almost everybody else to a greater or lesser extent) will be genuinely catastrophic. This is not Project Fear, it is Project Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.

But I do have the right to decide what is best for those that are important to ME.

Well actually, unless we do actually get a seond referendum and no deal is an option on the ballot paper, you don't. This is in the hands of our MPs now, and no deal is something they should not be willing to countenance under any circumstances.

There is no democratic mandate for it whatsoever and even if there were, it would still be an insane idea.

@FenellaMaxwell Ok, fair enough. I'll give an example. The men in my family are almost all in the military. One major reason I voted to leave is to prevent Britain's involvement in a pan-EU army, which both Merkel and particularly Macron have repeatedly called for. A pan-EU army could mean that British troops are bound to fight in any conflict that the EU deems necessary. My father, brother and cousins did not sign up for that. On joining the army you swear an oath to defend Queen and country, specifically this country. The lives of British soldiers should not be made the resource of an institution to which they did not join.

I appreciate this viewpoint will now be abused by many on this thread, but I hope it proves that Leavers can also provide cogent rationale for their decision, not just the much spouted 'we want blue passports' that Remainers scathingly go on about.

If we are saying that we need a second referendum because we didn't have enough information to make an informed decision last time then I can't see how asking the question again now is going to be any better? It's the same finger in the air speculation and propaganda as last time. No one knows for sure 100% what No Deal would mean.

If financial experts can't even accurately predict the impact of No Deal (which is essentially what many Brexiteers want), then how on earth can the general public make the call on it?

There should never have been a referendum in the first place, not without a plan to execute Brexit; it's all been done arse about face.

One major reason I voted to leave is to prevent Britain's involvement in a pan-EU army, which both Merkel and particularly Macron have repeatedly called for. A pan-EU army could mean that British troops are bound to fight in any conflict that the EU deems necessary.

You voted leave because of an army that doesn't exist, may never exist, and which we could not legally be required to participate in even if it wept?

Jesus wept.

@MadameMim but all that was being mooted was a centralisation of the military participation that we already provide under NATO and the UN. And we aren’t leaving NATO. Or the UN. We will still provide the same level of international cooperative military support either way.

We are in Afghanistan because we are obliged to as a member of NATO when another NATO member was attacked by a then Afghanistan Taliban government sponsored attack on NY on 9/11. Should we get out of NATO too now. In case, I dunno, we are called upon to abide by our obligations again.
And you are upset about an army that doesn't exist that we could have opted out of, like, say, any other member of the E.U. such as Ireland or Austria that isn't a part of any military alliance? Give me strength?

Yes. Remain.

A second referendum - on the deal made - should always have been in the law for the first one, preferably to be done before invoking article 50 (the first one shouldn't have happened though).

So yes I support a second referendum where the choices are TM's deal or remain. I'd vote remain again but feel much less enraged about accepting leave with an actual plan in place.

*As Ken Clarke said, the idea that May can continually bring her deal back again and again is somehow ok, and yet putting it to the public would 'risk brexit' and is undemocractic is nothing short of absurd.

Fuck yes there should be a second referendum on the matter, because it's not like the fuckwits in westminster are capable of sorting this out.*

I was trying to think of something which summed up how I feel and it’s this.