To ask if you would support a second referendum and what would you vote?

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As the title says really, along with whether or not your vote would be different from last time.

No, I wouldn't support another referendum but if there were one I'd vote remain again.

So what do you want us to do Mim? Crash out with no deal? I don't remember that being on the ballot paper. Or suggested at any point by any of the leave campaigners prior to the referendum.

I think I love you @WeirdCatLady ..

Strange how people who say they would vote leave "on principle" don't seem to have a problem with the fact that the leave campaign committed electoral offences in order to win.

I fear any second referendum that has No Deal as an option because, judging by the FB posts in my Leave area community forum, some people are stupid enough or, at best, truculent enough, to take it.

Yes, Remain, again.

Oh, and ask for my share of the 20bn that’s been wasted on this pathetic, racism/UKIP driven shambles.

@Madammim can I ask why you voted Leave ‘on principle’ - what principle? What was so wrong that you felt voting us out of the EU was the best thing?

I’ve yet to hear a factual and convincing rationale from a Leaver, so would really like to know.

@TonightJosephine Strange how people who want to derail Brexit all think Leavers are too stupid to make their own minds up. Yes the Leave campaign committed offences. Do you really think though thay all Leavers just sat there and gormlessly lapped up their campaign message? I voted leave because it is the result that in the long run would be best for my family. I am perfectly capable of making my own mind up, and no, I didn't believe the tosh about all those extra millions to the NHS.

And in answer to your last point, yes, I think crashing out with a no deal is better than being tied to Theresa May's limp fish. It will be HARD in the short run. But at least the country will know where it stands, rather than this awful limbo.

do not understand people who say they wouldn't vote

Why? I always vote. Always have. First time I ever wouldn't because what is the point if people vote but it gets ignored and "whoops, wrong answer, try again?"
Nope.

@Bunny my comment there about 'on principle' is the principle that a democratic majority voted to Leave. Parliament should abide by that majority, not keep calling new referendums until it gets the result it wants.

Leave, still leave

How do we go about that, @ViolaD77 , and still comply with our obligations under GFA? I'll answer that for you, support WA.

No I don't support the idea of a second referendum. It goes against our whole democratic ideals.
I cannot stand the Tories and everything they have done to this country, but when they got voted in again. I wasn't ordering a new vote because I didn't like the result. It was accepted & had to get on with it.
Brexit as become the mess it has because of people spending far too long moaning about the result,wanting a new vote. If from the day after the decision the politicians went in with a different attitude we wouldn't look like the absolute Muppets we do now.
I honestly don't understand, no matter how you voted, you could think cancelling brexit now is a good idea. It would make us look weak & incompetent.
Also what we make a second referendum any more valid from the 1st?
People say we're more informed?... Really how? It hasn't happened so all I see is more scaremongering. What will stop people demanding a 3rd/4th.
imo I don't care if we stay in eu or leave. I have never been able to take my kids on holiday, we will never be able to own our home. (We can't even get council housing to start to save towards). We both work full time but cost of living is so high we just get by. Prices will always go up.
But we should have come together from day 1.

Re the do we keep voting to get the right answer - no - we don't leave until you have a sizable majority wanting to follow that path - anything less that 65/70 ish % is not a big enough majority

Remain then and without a shadow of a doubt Remain now.
It would not be undemocratic as so much time has passed and the practicalities of Brexit have been shown to be unworkable for those who believed the lies of the original leave campaign. I don’t believe there will be riots or public disorder. Even Nigel Farage has openly admitted he wouldn’t bother marching. The country is already deeply divided, and any short term issues with holding a second referendum will more than be compensated for by saving our long term future.
The Leave campaign was sold to the public on racist propaganda. Nothing else. The only way forward for our economy and for our children is to Remain. My DH and I are both professionals, and many of our colleagues are planning to leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead. There will be a brain drain of professional and highly skilled people leaving once the economy crashes. I’m praying for a second referendum. It seems the only hope for this country. But I appreciate that mumsnet may be an echo chamber of intelligent critical thinkers!

Yes the leave campaign committed offences.

And this doesn't trouble you in any way, even though you are so principled?

If there genuinely are remain voters who would now vote leave on principle out of respect for democracy, but there are apparently no leave voters who would now vote remain on principle because the leave campaign cheated and broke the law in order to win, I would say that makes remainers more principled than leavers.

It will be HARD in the short run.

And in the medium and long term as well.

What gives you the right to decide that the pain is worth it on behalf of families who are barely managing to make ends meet as it is and can't afford to absorb rising food prices? Or on behalf of people who depend on uninterrupted supplied of medication which is exclusively manufactured in Europe? Or who live in one member state and work in another and cannot get any answers about whether they will be able to continue to live where they do and go to work where they do and drive their car to get from one to the other in just over two weeks' time? Or on behalf of people who live near the Irish border and are terrified of a return to the violence that plagued their communities until just over 20 years ago? Or on behalf of lamb farmers who are going to be absolutely fucked under the no deal tariff proposals published yesterday?

What gives you the right to decide that the pain of no deal (which you say will be short term but you really have no way of knowing how long it will last) is worth it? Even short term pain could mean game over for all those people.

Nobody voted for no deal. It wasn't on the ballot paper. It wasn't floated as a viable idea before the referendum. There's no democratic mandate for it whatsoever.

If we leave with no deal it will be an absolute disgrace to democracy.

I just cant believe people would STILL vote Leave. Can you not see how shit it is? Have you seen the tariff schedule, heard what businesses are saying? You now know the implications for the peace in NI. Why would anybody wish this on our country?

I voted Remain and would again.

I'm not sure I would support it.

I believe it would be democratic to have one, as there was no information at the time on what brexit would look like, so many many people voted for something that did not look like what we have, there was a huge amount of guessing and pretending a land of milk and honey existed at the time.

To say 17,4 million people voted for what we have is disingenuous. They clearly did not, they were told a deal would be way and we would be better off, which is not the case factually. And they did not all vote to leave at any cost, and it's wrong to pretend they did.

The reason I am not sure I'd support is because it's very very clear too high a proportion of the british public don't understand it or what they are voting for. We should never have been asked the first time, so I don't think we should compound it.

If however we did have one, I'd vote the same again, to remain.

Allthingsred I honestly feel sorry for you. You opinion is so shortsighted and you don’t seem to realise that Brexit is going to hurt people in your situation the most. The poorest will get hit the hardest. If you think things are bad now, wait to see how Brexit plunges this country into the deepest recession we have ever known. There will be a prolonged situation of austerity, the nhs won’t survive it and there will be extreme health care rationing, social housing and benefits will be cut further, homelessness will go up, there will be mass redundancies. I know many many economists, none of who think Brexit is a good idea. And all who would vote Remain. You have been sold lies and you have believed them.

I'm a rabid remainer but I don't support a second referendum, simply because I think we'll just get the same answer. Yes some leave voters have died but I've seen enough posts on here and social media bleating on about it being undemocratic from people who clearly don't understand democracy.

If we did have a second ref I'd vote still vote remain, I'd campaign for it, but I think it would be fruitless. Our democratically elected ministers need to hold their hands up and admit they can't deliver a brexit that won't screw the country over. But they won't.

Remain then remain now

Im not fussed about having a 2nd referendum but i would without question vote

I do not understand people who say they wouldnt vote...both leave and remain would need all the votes they can get for a definitive answer. Youd think people would want to stand up for want they believe and be counted

I am unable to say what i think of those who say they voted one way and now they would do the opposite on principle or to make a point that the government aren't even going to notice. One assumes these people voted originally for what they believed was best. To change that in a tantrum just renders me speechless . Obviously if someone has looked at the facts and has now changed their mind thats to be commended

Oh and what crime says in their first paragraph

Im not rabid...not that bit, the other bit

Yes I would. I voted leave last time and would change my vote. My feelings about the EU remain the same but my feelings about our UK politicians are extremely strongly in the "totally incapable couldn't organise a loss up in a brewery" camp. They have proven that they cannot put aside party politics for the better of the country and I would rather remain despite my reservations than see us fall off a cliff.

Given my issues with the EU relate to future policy planning, concerns about overreach and the direction some leaders would view governance going, then I think at present, seeing the mess created, that's a better proposition to stick with.

With some adult treatment if the situation, effective leadership and opposition, and less grandstanding we could have had a different outcome. This shouldn't be "Theresa May's" brexit. It should be the UKs Brexit and all parties should have had involvement in the negotiation.

I would vote remain again.

But I think a second referendum would be massively damaging now. It would exacerbate divisions and lead to violence on the streets.
Also, all current polling indicates that the result would be very similar to the first one. There is no chance of a resounding remain vote. And if there were a 52:48 remain result, would that then lead to a third vote?