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To ask if you would support a second referendum and what would you vote?

350 replies

questabellatreetop · 13/03/2019 23:03

As the title says really, along with whether or not your vote would be different from last time.

OP posts:
Peanut1983 · 14/03/2019 02:29

Would vote leave and voted leave the first time. As would everyone in my family and most of my friends

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 14/03/2019 03:49

No, I would not support another referendum. It would be making a mockery of democracy.

Incidentally though my vote would not stay the same. I voted Remain last time as I fell for all their bullshit. If democracy failed and there was another vote I would vote Leave.

FinnegansWhiskers · 14/03/2019 04:12

I would not support another referendum. We have already had one. The result was leave.

Tink1990 · 14/03/2019 04:54

I dont support a second one. I voted leave and would do so again.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 14/03/2019 05:07

I was very anti the first referendum and absolutely would not support a second one.

I voted Remain before and would do so again but I would much rather a second referendum doesn't happen.

Spiderbanana · 14/03/2019 05:13

There shouldn't be a second referendum IMHO (even knowing that it may get the remain vote I desperately want)

There should be a GE and then a parliamentary vote.

If Brexit is not in the national interests, MPs should have the guts to vote against it, regardless of it's popularity.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and Brexit is a perfect example of why it works. The idea that just because the decision is difficult Parliament should be able to just dump the decision on us is a dangerous and irresponsible precedent.

If we have a second referendum and we vote leave again, the EU will know that we have to leave no matter what and will have no motivation to offer further concessions in a withdrawal package. MPs will be able to agree to a shit deal or no deal with impunity because "it is the will of the people"

I want people whose full time job it is to understand the full impact of Brexit and who will then be implementing it to decide, even if we don't agree with them.

Even if we have a campaign to educate everyone, how many people really understand the backstop, the logistics re. Gibraltar or rules regarding medication distribution?

Most people will vote with their gut and not on a balanced assessment of all the facts. I have read a lot on it and believe that remain is in our best interests but I am self aware enough to know that I feel European and would have voted remain without any additional information.

The first referendum was an ill-conceived idea, a second one would be an irresponsible cop out.

toomuchtooold · 14/03/2019 05:18

Remain then, remain now. I have no problem with the idea of voting twice on the same issue - in countries that regularly have referenda, like Switzerland, it's totally normal to have more than one vote on the same issue. Switzerland have also been through basically the same conversation as the UK on EU integration - they're not EU members but they're like Norway minus, they had a referendum in restricting immigration from the EU, they voted yes, the government went away and said "we can't do that because it would break an international treaty", there was then a petition for another referendum to determine whether the law should be changed so that a referendum result would be binding on the government even if it did run contrary to an international agreement and the people voted no. Which I imagine is about the same view as people have in the UK (we'd like to have some control over immigration but we're not necessarily willing to throw the baby out with the bath water and have no relationship with the EU whatsoever) but we only got asked one broad, vague question, and from now on if we want to express our opinions about it we have to do it via general elections while FPTP means that for most of us it's a straight choice between labour and the Tories and neither of them represents the view of the 16-odd million people who voted to stay in the EU. It's a joke to say that doing it this way is the most democratic.

Dongdingdong · 14/03/2019 05:26

I would vote again. Remain. However, I live in Brexit country so that's just pointless.

Confused How is voting remain pointless? It’s not first past the post - it’s a referendum. Every vote counts.

tempester28 · 14/03/2019 05:29

Remain definitely.

landregistry · 14/03/2019 05:44

Yes at this point I would - though I think referenda are awful - and I would vote remain again.

And for anyone who is interested and doesn’t yet know, there is another People’s Vote march in London on the 23rd, and I think it is going to be even bigger than the last one. Of my group of remainer friends who usually go on them, we are all this time bringing extra family members who are travelling in from other towns and from abroad. Am a bit scared of the potential crush on Whitehall as it took ages to go home last time - the side streets being tiny and few. So I think people should be forewarned and have an exit plan for the end of the route.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-march-2019-put-it-to-the-people-peoples-vote-campaign-a4090456.html%3famp

Moonbea · 14/03/2019 05:45

I voted leave last time. Myself and a bunch of friends fell for the shit that was spewed. (can you tell we're easily led astray haha)

I would like a second referendum like my friends would. Now we have the real facts, I would vote remain.

There's alot of people that voted leave that would like to change their minds on the advisory vote that happened.

WoodlandOaks · 14/03/2019 05:46

No. I was a remainer.

Those saying the polls now say remain would win - they said that last time.

toomuchtooold · 14/03/2019 05:49

Even if we have a campaign to educate everyone, how many people really understand the backstop, the logistics re. Gibraltar or rules regarding medication distribution

That's a really good point actually. As a Swiss, I recently voted in a local referendum, and one of the things on the ballot paper was an initiative to get the local council to build more cycle paths. There was 39 pages of detail on the implications of that. 39 pages! What did we get for (the infinitely more complicated) Brexit, one leaflet?

ValleyoftheHorses · 14/03/2019 05:55

I think we have to have one. The first referendum campaign was flawed - we were lied to and no one knew what Brexit would look like. We need a chance to vote again now we know the deal.
I voted Remain and would again. My parents voted leave and would now vote Remain though. They didn’t think Brexit would affect food, medicine, the economy so catastrophically.

TheLastNigel · 14/03/2019 05:58

Yes.Remain.

Spiderbanana · 14/03/2019 06:02

As a Swiss, I recently voted in a local referendum, and one of the things on the ballot paper was an initiative to get the local council to build more cycle paths. There was 39 pages of detail on the implications of that.

I love Switzerland! Grin

cliffdiver · 14/03/2019 06:11

I would support a second referendum and I would vote remain again.

shuttersaregreen · 14/03/2019 06:11

Yes. I would change my vote based on what has happened since.

glenthebattleostrich · 14/03/2019 06:16

So we have a second referendum and it is remain. What then? Best of 3, best of 5?

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 06:17

Well technically that would already be 2 out of 3. We've had one each way so far.

Decormad38 · 14/03/2019 06:19

Remain. The referendum was a joke. Ill thought through and designed to keep the eurosceptics off Camerons back only. That’s why he cried like a baby when the results came in. One of the biggest political mistakes in history!

DumbledoresApprentice · 14/03/2019 06:21

I don’t support a second referendum. If there was one I’d vote remain. My preferred outcome would be for a cross-party group to come up with a Norway+ deal (or something along those lines). I think there’s a strong possibility that another referendum could return exactly the same result or even endorse no deal and leave us in even worse chaos. Referenda on complex issues like this are a bad idea, I can’t see a second one helping at all.

Namenic · 14/03/2019 06:27

I believe the next referendum should put out all choices EU agrees with (ie no deal, may’s deal, remain). Then we vote by alternative vote. This is not undemocratic as people were saying all kinds of things about what was and was not possible pre-referendum (ie we wouldn’t have to pay EU, we would strike up quick trade deals etc - that have not materialised). I would actually prefer it that Norway option was also on table but EU has not agreed to this and govt chose to waste their time delaying than finding other possibilities. Many countries have had referendums multiple times on the same issue and this second referendum would be different from first. It would be like calling another GE if govt is not functional.

My preferences from most desirable downwards:

  1. Remain
  2. Not sure whether I would put the Irish issue ahead of misery for whole country... (so maybe abstain, not sure).
BigCoat · 14/03/2019 06:35

I voted leave and keep hoping for the chance to vote remain now.

TonightJosephine · 14/03/2019 06:36

All these people who voted leave and would now vote remain, have you written to your MP to tell them that? If not, please do!

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