To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

[KennDodd]

I can feel the mood among Remainers, both IRL and online changing.

My apologies, the current MP for Belfast South got 30% of the votes cast
it was the previous MP who was elected with less than 25% of the votes cast
so more than 3/4 of voters there DID NOT vote for the winner
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

also and yabbers for the record i've been married nearly 27 years so dh and me are pretty solid thank you. we discussed and voted for our choices, no conflict there, no reason for it.

27 years of marriage is some going did you both vote the same way ?

cdtaylornats The UK is a net exporter of medicine to the EU.

I have just checked the boxes of all nine of the medications I need in order to survive with a reasonable quality of life and no crippling pain. Not one of them gives "UK" as its origin.

This older generation who lived through the war and want to toughen up the rest of us: The war ended in 1945. It is now 2019. Everyone who lived through it and was not a child under ten at the time is going to be over eighty; everyone who actually had some part in it is going to be over ninety. Time they stopped lecturing people younger than they are about what a tough time they had, I feel -- if indeed they are, for which I haven't actually heard any evidence.

I was on a train a week after the result, and listened (couldn't avoid hearing, really; they were LOUD) to two women angrily discussing why, since the country had voted to leave, the government hadn't immediately done it. In the end I suggested gently that it might be a little more complicated than that, and got the answer, "Why? If you're leaving your husband you just walk out and shut the door."

The UK is a net exporter of medicine to the EU.
It may well be.
Because there are 60 million people in the UK
and 440 million people elsewhere in the EU
but
that does not mean that the medicines Brits need are made in the UK

What do you think is going to happen. The pharma companies wont stop selling, the buyers here wont stop buying.

cdtaylor
The pharma companies wont stop selling, the buyers here wont stop buying.
Indeed, but with customs clearance and import VAT and the impact on profit margins, do not expect prices or availability to stay the same.
If its a no deal Brexit, UK made medicines will cease to be licenced in the EU and vice versa.

Hasn't the UK government already said that they will automatically licence drugs made in the EU?

Hasn't the UK government already said that they will automatically licence drugs made in the EU?
Link please ?

Bear in mind the UK government still does not know if its staying in the EU, leaving the EU but staying in the SM, leaving the EU and leaving the SM or leaving the EU with no parachute at all.

No, but they've said that they will continue to licence drugs as they do now.

weetabix
No, but they've said that they will continue to licence drugs as they do now.
You have said it.
I see no evidence that the government has said it.
Link please

On Wednesday I had drinks with an acquaintance who works in pharma (regulatory affairs ie clinical trial management) and the situation at her workplace sounds pretty dire. They have no idea what is happening - for clinical trials a lot of the imports are time-critical supplies which can't be stockpiled. It sounded like she was losing the will to live.

Personally I'm simultaneously Bored of Brexit and increasingly angry with the people who got us into this situation. I would find it very hard to have a civil conversation in real life with someone who voted for no deal.

TalkinPaece

I don't have a link. It was posted on one of these threads that the government would accept all current standards so that drugs from the EU would just continue as they are now. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

It was posted on one of these threads that the government would accept all current standards so that drugs from the EU would just continue as they are now.
What threads ?
Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
If you cannot prove that the government said something, they did not say it.

I've been dealing with HMRC and other arms of government for decades.
If it ain't in writing it ain't real
You claimed something extraordinary
Prove it

I did hear on the World Service, in the early hours at some point this week, that the medications position wasn't as dire as it might be because some sort of special effort was being made about it to do with licensing arrangements and what/whose standards were going to be accepted in the event of a no deal Brexit, but I couldn't say which programme or even which day. Nor indeed what exactly was being proposed. Just that I was slightly relieved to hear it.

Sadly we know - thanks John Humphrys - that what you hear on the radio the truth

Unless weetabix can provide a link that ends in .gov.uk
I shall assume that she made it up

www.gov.uk/government/publications/batch-testing-medicines-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/batch-testing-medicines-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

Here we are @TalkinPaece

I was angry about the result but it’s democracy so accepted it. I’m angry again because of how it’s played out. I did not want to leave (& still don’t) but never imagined that We would be where we are now. I think a lot of leavers also feel this way - regardless of which way you voted at least the majority can agree it’s an horrific mess.

Thank you weetabix
A nice link
showing that the UK will have to abide by all EU rules even after the hardest of Brexits
you have cheered me up significantly

Anything you want to know with regards to medicines is on the MHRA website:
www.gov.uk/government/latest?departments%5B%5D=medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency

Yes, the MHRA have said that in the short term they will accept Eu authorisation. There are other issues, however. There is the hold ups associated with increased customs checks in the short term (hence the nhs and pharma stockpiling). Longer term, there are the issues with
a) increased regulation for uk products- pharma companies will need extra staff where previously these were based in the uk. You may think yay! More uk jobs! but there is already recruitment problems in pharma so we don’t actually have the staff for this.
b) the decreased value of the pubs impacting on the bargaining power of NICE and the attractiveness of the uk as a market. We have seen quite a bit of this recently.

That’s before we even start on clinical trials which are heavily tied in to Eu regulations (it is a VERY heavily regulated industry, for obvious reasons).

Pound, not pubs You can tell where I’ve been tonight

Is it to the pound pigeon?

TalkinPaece

Apology accepted for accusing me of making it up.

Haha! A place with less dogs and more beer.

Weary is a better word to use

I think that is the general feeling amount people I know and work with