To Think Remainers Are Starting To Get Really Angry About Brexit?

[KennDodd]

I can feel the mood among Remainers, both IRL and online changing.

NI is part of the UK though so why should they be on the 'wrong' side of any border, Is that how they perceive it? I really want to get to grips with every side of the argument

@Colourpencils , that is exactly how the DUP perceives it. Or at least did.
The DUP should recognise that unification with Ireland will happen when the majority in NI vote for it and it is accepted in Ireland. Not a foregone conclusion that it will happen any time soon. However, if the DUP was smarter, it would recognise that this is the direction of travel and "owning Brexit" to make NI a special economic area, buys them more time. It also works some GFA magic when everyone pretends NI is what they want it to be.
Or it should accept WA.

And if DUP wants to argue that NI is part of the UK, it should allow equal marriage and a woman's right to choose. DUP only wants NI to be part of UK and not different on its terms.

To hear some pronouncements you'd think no-one in NI voted to leave. The leave vote was 44.2% - quite a lot of people who are presumably more acquainted with issues on the island of Ireland. NI is divided on Brexit, like the rest of the UK.

Thank you Bellini you are always so helpful. I change my name constantly but am on all the Brexit threads trying to get my head around it all. Couldn't sleep last night, woke this morning and wanted to sob at the news from New Zealand. Brexit and all this trend of isolationism is dreadful for our world, it makes me so sad 😪

@Colourpencils , the news from NZ is terrible. I am as confident as I can be that eventually we will settle back on the centre ground. But I hate the way extremists are muscling in left and right and pretend they have the answer. It pisses me off. Makes me sweary. But my feelings don't matter that much. All I can do is hope for common centrist sense. Slightly to the right or slightly to the left but centrism in any event.

I'm angry for lots of reasons.

I'm angry at the stupidity of the vote, not because of the choice but because of the reasons many, many people were giving for their vote, most of which had nothing at all to do with the EU and will not be solved by Brexit.

I'm angry because the leaders of the Brexit Campaign turned and ran away as soon as they "won". They now stand on the sidelines and score cheap political points against those who are actually trying to sort it all out.

I'm angry because whenever anyone suggests not everything in the garden will be rosy and there will be some less than positive impacts because of it they are accused of "remoaning" (wow - that's mature) and of being "project fear"

I'm angry because we were warned the separation would be difficult, that the EU would not play nice, that sorting out a deal with 27 nations would be impossible to do quickly and.l to our advantage and that there were risks around NI. We were accused of scaremongering, of being negative, of project fear. And now it's come to pass we are told that Theresa May is just crap at negotiating and is deliberately sabotaging it.

I'm angry because Politicians of all party colours, on both sides of Brexit are not thinking about what is good for the country, they are either feathering their own nests or positioning themselves for optics. They need to stop playing games and come together to sort this shitshow out.

I am becoming angrier as it goes on and it becomes more and more clear that nobody knows what is going on and what to do next. Each time someone actually suggests that crashing out without a deal is an excellent solution and is what they voted for, it reminds me why this should never have been put to the public vote in the manner that it was.

I am becoming angrier when I se yet another project stalled, yet another business holding back in investment, yet another organisation cutting staff. People keep saying nothing bad has happened. They say this because they don't know. Because nothing has happened to them. From where I sit, and what I see, a lot of bad stuff has happened. And the only reason it isn't worse is because business organisations are working really hard to counteract problems and to prevent it getting any worse.

It will be alright in the end no matter what happens, but how long the bad patch is, depends on people working together to get it done.

The leave vote was 44.2% - quite a lot of people who are presumably more acquainted with issues on the island of Ireland

In fairness the vast majority of those who voted leave in NI did so at the behest of the DUP. I don’t have the words to describe how stupid and destructive those fucking clowns are to NI society as a whole.

I also think a significant proportion of those in NI who voted leave would not have done so if they understood that leave meant leaving the customs union. This was not clarified at the time.

Those committed to peace in Northern Ireland do not and could not want s hard border.

The DUP are not committed to peace and have never really been behind the GFA.

@RainbowWaffles any time the Government even hinted at preparing for no deal they were berated for it. Even voted down in Parliament about it. They can’t win no matter what they do.

@cdtaylornats
The U.K. might net export. But that’s little comfort if the medicines you take (or the ingredients to make are imported.) One of DD’ medications comes from Europe. It can’t be sourced in the U.K. It isn’t life saving, but it is life altering for many and sudden withdrawal from it is really, really unpleasant. Thankfully, we are already in the process of her coming off it as things have changed for her. Even with a slow withdrawal it hasn’t been nice for her. We’ve noticed already the prescription is harder to fill and others on the same medication have been warned by their consultants they might have to go for an alternative.

i bet some of you are a joy to live with as you seem to be constantly crowing, whinging, raging, traumatised [really] ? if my dh acted like that i'd leave him. i feel sorry dc that have to live and listen to all this drama.
i personally am going to wait and see what happens, and yes, i have 7 children to be concerned for but i can't change anything by moaning about it on here

There reason why we are in this mess, is because Remainers are angry about the result, a remainer brought about the referendum, and buggered off, and left it in the hands or more Remainers who did not want to leave, therefore this has been dithering on for 2 years.

aeroflot
so the fact that the UK has still not decided what sort of deal it wants with the EU has nothing to do with it

@Aeroflotgirl , ah yes, it's all Remainers fault. Thanks for giving me something to laugh at on a pretty terrible day in the news.

Of course it’s remainers’ fault. Nothing at all to do with the people who voted for this shitshow in the first place. I despair.

I see the Remainers are out in force this Lunchtime then!

Yes. Angry then, avoidant somewhere in the middle and now angry again at the way it's happening. You'd think these MPs want no deal...

Complete idiocy that the referendum was ever called in the first place, that thick people fell for the lies, that 52% was considered enough of a majority... the list just goes on

I am incandescant with rage following Benns amendment failing to pass. The defeat of that has made me feel there is no way back and we are 100% leaving. I had a tiny bit of hope but that's gone and I am beyond furious.

if my dh acted like that i'd leave him
If my DH was so cavalier about the future of our children and our Country, I’d leave him.

I go from angry to depressed and back again.

Can someone explain something to me?
How come when we vote in a general election, there has to be a clear majority and when the rest of the EU voted to accept the proposed deal, it had to be by a majority (was it 20 out of 27 member states or something?) but the result of the 2016 referendum was completely accepted and article 50 triggered when there was only 1.5% in it?

It is heartbreaking to see how readily the British would tear it all up because - actually I’m still not entirely sure why - because they don’t want Johnny Foreigner telling them what to do or something. And they can’t be bothered coming up with a proper exit plan

It is genuinely people’s livelihoods and lives you would be fucking with. It’s a pretty unforgivable thing to do frankly

I couldn’t agree more.

yabbers that doesn't say much for your marriage to be honest, there is nothing cavalier in being 'lncandescent with rage' ?? god, imagine having to listen to that every 5 minutes, no thanks

ethelfleda
How come when we vote in a general election, there has to be a clear majority
An MP can win a seat by one vote
and there is a sitting MP who got in having won only 25% of the votes at the last general election

I think it says more for Yabbers’ marriage than it does for yours, @rainingonmyfireworks.

@ethelfleda the referendum was advisory. We didn't have to trigger A50 at all. But keeping the Tory party together was more important.

I am angry and disappointed.

I am hoping for revocation of the ridiculous Article 50, but not actually holding my breath. After all, common sense hasn't prevailed in the last almost 3 years, so there is no reason to expect that it suddenly will now.