AIBU to be sad that my DD can’t go on a brownie sleepover?

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NC’d for this as it is identifying.

My DD is a Brownie and loves going each week with her friends. Her Brown Owl has asked if the girls would like to go on a region organised sleepover where lots of Brownies sleepover at a theme park and then have a fun day on the rides together.

A bit of back history first. After receiving the Girlguiding email in September (about the inclusion of trans women/girls in the organisation) I wrote to Girlguiding asking if they would still be offering single sex sleeping arrangements (as they are now a single gender organisation) as I didn’t want my DD to be sharing with the opposite sex on residentials. They ‘reassured’ me that they would look to accommodate any request that helps a girl feel more comfortable saying that ‘this has included organising separate facilities for anyone who needs them.’

Fast forward to this sleepover, only 4 months later. I aske d Brown Owl if she could guarantee single sex sleeping accommodation for my DD. She contacted Girlguiding who are organising the sleepover. It has taken them nearly 6 weeks to come back to her but the long and short of it is that they can’t guarantee single sex sleeping accommodation. They’re going to be sleeping in large marquees with lots of different people from different units.

I’m really sad for my DD who now cannot attend this event. She needs to be in single sex sleeping accommodation and this can’t be guaranteed.

And if anyone asks why I’m posting this now, it is to make other people aware of this situation, especially as sleepovers are being organised for the summer. Girlguiding do not make it explicitly clear that single sex sleeping accommodation is not their default position. They do not say on their permission forms that you may be sleeping in the same space as someone of the opposite sex. Leaders are also not allowed to tell you if this is/is not the case.

I don't send my kids to brownies and guides to 'get away from the male gaze'. They go cos its a laugh.

mctufty

I agree

Deviant is a very loaded word and one that no one has said

Here we go... if you don’t believe gender dysphoria is a myth, it’s because you hate woman.

It’s not impossible. It’s blatantly clear the vast maj of boys aren’t sex abusers.hmm

You’re trying to scaremonger

So there is no need for safeguarding? No need for DBS checks? No need for policies around being alone with a child? No need for sex segregation under any circumstances?

Here we go... if you don’t believe gender dysphoria is a myth, it’s because you hate woman

Apologies but i missed who said this

Who was it generation

Making it mixed sex, but pretending it's because there are boys who 'think like a girl', is unutterably sexist.

And

Calling that out and being criticised for it is misogynistic

Pretty self explanatory.

Eh, who on this thread has claimed gender dysphoria is a myth? In fact other than you, who has even mentioned gender dysphoria on this thread?

I don't send my kids to brownies and guides to 'get away from the male gaze'. They go cos its a laugh.

So you're happy for it to be mixed sex. That's no problem for you, pull the ladder up, Jack.

But many parents send their girls there, purely on the basis that it is single sex. Including the OP.

And now it isn't. But it's a secret.

Generationrenter

Well on what basis are they admitting boys then? Boys who say they feel and think like a girl?

Describe that to me. How does one think or feel like a girl?

Think!

Especially boys who have been told, by mermaids, Stonewall and GIRES that if they like girl stuff, they are thinking 'like a girl'.

How are they getting away with that!
What is girls' stuff?

Think.

There are 33 million males in Britain,14000 men in prison for whatever reason does not make boys likely to be sexual predators by default.

Dsb checks and safeguarding will be mostly done on women as they are more likely to be working with children.

Pretty self explanatory

Not really

I think that just about everyone thinks that gender dysphoria is an actual thing

People here have gone to great lengths here to talk about dangerous men. And how we don't know how many of them are sex offenders really because of underreporting. By those standards we also don't know how many girls and women are sex offenders.
Also there have been studies done at UCLA which showed that there is no increase in crimes taking place in bathrooms once "cities had adopted transgender policies" and that there were no differences in crime rates between these cities and those which had not adopted such policies.

Because several are ludicrous, some don’t apply to me/ have never happened and some could apply equally to my boys.

Those were a sample of things women do to stay safe.

It's up to you if you do none of those because you see no danger anywhere.

There are 33 million males in Britain,14000 men in prison for whatever reason does not make boys likely to be sexual predators by default.

Correct. I'm glad you finally understand.

Dsb checks and safeguarding will be mostly done on women as they are more likely to be working with children.

Point?

Datun I don’t know. I also couldn’t tell you how it feels to be a white woman, or an Asian woman, or a disabled woman.. all of which come with their own unique experiences and challenges. I don’t know how it feels to be unable to walk, or to be born with 12 fingers, I can’t explain that to you. It does not mean that people in that situation do not exist.

Don’t tell me to ‘think’. You call yourselves gender critical yet you are unable to think critically about gender.

The easiest thing to do is to say Man, Woman, full stop. It would involve engaging your brain a bit further to comprehend that maybe not everyone has black and white experiences.

Obviously I ‘believe in’ biological sex, I don’t think you can change sex but I agree with medical professionals that gender dysphoria and feeling like you were born into the wrong body is real and valid and not just Pervs pretending to have a lady brain.

Referring to gender dysphoric children as pretending there are boys who ‘think like a girl’ is insulting.

'What is girls stuff? Think.' So you think that means sexually abusing a girl?

eferring to gender dysphoric children as pretending there are boys who ‘think like a girl’ is insulting

Thats not what the poster was saying

A boy who think he is a girl has gender dysphoria

There is no such thing as thinking like a girl...thats what people are saying is sexist

Point being the need to safeguard doesn’t make boys sexual predators by default.

Oh I understood, you did too but wanted to stat twist and scaremonger male children into sexual predators.

'What is girls stuff? Think.' So you think that means sexually abusing a girl

I have literally no idea how you have made that massive leap

Honestly statistically the odds that a) there may be a trans child at brownies b) she will be in the same tent as your daughter c) she is a sexual predator d) she chooses and manages to attack your daughter given they are normally closely supervised are so low, they're akin to winning the lotto.. she is much much more at risk traveling in the car to the event.

Also there have been studies done at UCLA which showed that there is no increase in crimes taking place in bathrooms once "cities had adopted transgender policies" and that there were no differences in crime rates between these cities and those which had not adopted such policies.

Sex offences in the Target changing rooms went up as soon as they made them unisex.

The Times reported survey found that unisex facilities account for 90% of all sexual offences in changing rooms, as opposed to the 10 percent in single sex.

Half of all transwomen in prison are there for sex offences.

The prison service have said that they expect that 120, to be in the region of 1000 in the near future. Hence the decision to make a transgender wing, because otherwise that number would account for a quarter of ALL females, in prison, for ANY crime whatsoever, including non-payment of TV licenses.

Again, all this is verifiable.

crazy

What did you think of the reasons the OP gave?

All shit...one or two vaild...all 4 valid?

Obviously I ‘believe in’ biological sex, I don’t think you can change sex but I agree with medical professionals that gender dysphoria and feeling like you were born into the wrong body is real and valid and not just Pervs pretending to have a lady brain.

So do I. Gender dysphoria is real. I'm asking you where it comes from? Because it sure is shit isnt coming from a female brain in a male body.

referring to gender dysphoric children as pretending there are boys who ‘think like a girl’ is insulting

You are the only one who has to used the word pretending. I wonder why you would do that?

Point being the need to safeguard doesn’t make boys sexual predators by default.

Point actually being, that the mitigations to manage the risk are different for boys/men as they would be for girls/women, and pretending that they are mitigating for females when there are actually males means that girls are at risk purely because they are mitigating for the wrong factor.