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AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

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Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 03:40

NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

OP posts:
Meandmetoo · 08/03/2019 11:59

Yes there's something very odd about this. It's almost like it's part of a plan to get people to accept this sort of thing and men in women's changing rooms where there's going to be small children around etc, so at some point blokes with their dicks out around children is totes normal.

Reminds me of that pedophile manifesto from Reddit.

SinkGirl · 08/03/2019 11:59

It’s also a terrible idea to normalise seeing other adults naked for children. Just a terrible, terrible idea.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:00

I wonder how many posters have specifically registsred just for this thread?

Happyspud · 08/03/2019 12:00

I personally think it’s wonderful to normalise seeing adults and children naked. There is nothing wrong with bodies. They belong solely to the owner.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:01

I personally think it’s wonderful to normalise seeing adults and children naked. There is nothing wrong with bodies. They belong solely to the owner.

This

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:02

Why not?

Because its an inappropriate boundary being crossed. No child should be forced to look at random adult males genitals, and especially not whilst they are naked and vulnerable themselves. Amongst adults, fine, do what you want if you enjoy it. Don't bring kids into it.

And that is without the fact that some blokes will probably be getting a kick out of it.

DishingOutDone · 08/03/2019 12:03

surely, if the paedophile is also at this event and is aroused, it would be pretty obvious they were aroused and they would stand out yes, and then people like you will find another excuse why that's ok.

Who on earth do you think will be going along to this? Nice middle class naturist families eh? Or local wankers thinking this is much cosier than dogging and you get a free shower? Or families whose boundaries are pretty much fucked anyway and see this as an indictment of their parenting?

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:04

I personally think it’s wonderful to normalise seeing adults and children naked. There is nothing wrong with bodies. They belong solely to the owner.

Yes, so children shouldn't be dragged along to something where they have to be naked in front of other adults should they? What does that teach them about the boundaries around their bodies?

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 12:04

sinkgirl no I wasn’t abused and I’m sorry to hear that you were, I can’t imagine what that must be like.

However, you can’t say that children who attend these events with their families 1. Are abused, 2. Are categorically in danger of being abused and 3. Enforce a ban on such events.

I absolutely get that for an abused person this must be difficult, I don’t pretend to know what it must feel like, but to assume that anyone who attends this event is a child abuser is unfair.

grinningcheshirecat · 08/03/2019 12:06

I wouldn't go but I don't really see a difference with other naturist places like naturist campings.

Happyspud · 08/03/2019 12:07

Rocky, I think you’ll find that more than anyone, it’s kids who love to be naked and have to be shamed into becoming embarrased about their bodies as they get older.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:07

I wonder how many posters have specifically registsred just for this thread?

Well quite. To come on and tell mothers that they are prudes or whatever for thinking that taking your kids to a naked swimming pool is an erosion of boundaries.

The whole 'naked bodies are beautiful' crap aimed at kids is straight out of the paedophiles handbook.

What happened to the NSPCC's 'what's in your pants belongs only to you'? The NSPCC (for what they are worth these days) teaches children that what is in 'that tiny square of lycra' is private.

DishingOutDone · 08/03/2019 12:07

to assume that anyone who attends this event is a child abuser is unfair I think its pretty fair to assume that they have poor judgement though.

Limensoda · 08/03/2019 12:08

If you think the event will be a haven for paedos don't go!
There's no more danger than anywhere else you take your kids ffs!
Paedophiles will hang around where kids are whether they have clothes on or not but nudity isn't all about sex and lust. Jeez, people are obsessed!
Look after your kids wherever you go.

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 12:09

dishingoutdone people like me?

Look, perhaps I have a very naive view of the world and think that people shouldn’t be labelled as evil for something like this. Maybe I’m naive in thinking that parents have their child’s best interests at heart and would never willingly put them in danger.

I understand why people think it’s potentially a risk but I think my point which I’m probably making very badly is that your average family at a water park isn’t “better” than the average family at a naturist water park just because of a few pieces of Lycra surely?

eyeswideshit · 08/03/2019 12:09

Yes, so children shouldn't be dragged along to something where they have to be naked in front of other adults should they? What does that teach them about the boundaries around their bodies?

Children don't have to be naked, it is their choice whether to wear a swimsuit or not. Body autonomy is extremely important. Again, you're own prejudice, that being naked = something sexual, is tainting your view.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2019 12:10

The spas and saunas I visited in Scandinavia and Germany didn't require membership or ID

Naturism there including kids is not new; it's been the custom in such countries for many decades.
I'm not sure why it's such a horror in the UK

The clubs abroad I've been to felt very safe, with lots of people around everywhere

Meandmetoo · 08/03/2019 12:10

It is not wonderful at all. If this becomes commonplace, there's a chance that a child won't tell if an 'uncle' (friend, friends parent etc) inappropriately gets their kit off around the kid. It doesn't take too much of a stretch to see how a 'accidental' slip of a towel could be actual grooming. Or, to put it another way, id still want my DC to tell me if they went to a friend's house and dad was casually wandering around with his balls out. If this is normalised, would my DC tell me of this inappropriate behaviour? Id have the opportunity to kick his balls back inside monitor things taken away.

Theres nothing wrong with bodies you're right. But putting children in direct and indirect danger is NOT the way to go about making this point.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:10

Rocky, I think you’ll find that more than anyone, it’s kids who love to be naked and have to be shamed into becoming embarrased about their bodies as they get older.

Yes, but not in front of adults they don't know who are also naked and have come to an event where the specifically know there will be naked children present.

The reason that kids don't give a shit about being naked is nothing to do with 'shame' and everything to do with not having boundaries...because they haven't been taught them yet and they need an adult to help them with that. You can be proud of your body and not want to walk around with your genitals out.

By the way, FYI, the way you say 'it's kids who love to be naked' was kind of creepy.

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 12:11

dishingoutdone I think its pretty fair to assume that they have poor judgement though. - Why though?

Does that mean people who send their kids on Exchange trips have poor judgement? Or on Scout camp? Or to a religious camp?

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:11

If you think the event will be a haven for paedos don't go!

Don't worry I won't be!

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:13

The spas and saunas I visited in Scandinavia and Germany didn't require membership or ID

I wouldnt take my child to one of those either, even if it was in Scandanavia.

UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 12:14

How can the children even fully consent to randoms seeing them naked?

The consent issue is precisely the same as it is for every other consent issue involving children. Their parents can consent on their behalf, just as they do when they take them into a communal changing room, or to the doctor's, or let them run around on the beach with little or nothing on. It's up to parents to assess the risk and look after their children, and most are happy to do that.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:14

I suggest that sme of the do gooders on this thread go and put their efforts into some of the things that do endanger children (like the culture of secrecy in the Catholic church) and leave the naturists alone.

Happyspud · 08/03/2019 12:14

By the way, FYI, the way you say 'it's kids who love to be naked' was kind of creepy.

😂😂😂