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AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

744 replies

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 03:40

NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

OP posts:
Happyspud · 08/03/2019 12:15

Consider it noted. FYI😂

Loughers · 08/03/2019 12:15

Strangely enough, a lot of our norms in relation to nakedness simply come down to the weather.

Holiday in south of France regularly - practically all infants on the beaches are naked. Naturist beaches are commonplace and often at the end of clothed beaches - hence a degree of cross fertilisation.

This is the norm and its terribly refreshing to see families playing together - clothed or otherwise - rather than sitting on their iphones or reading The Sun.

Of course there's a chance of a pervert being on the beach (or walking behind you on any street) but folk don't allow that to dictate their lives - they mitigate risk by being mindful of their surroundings.

I guarantee that if we were in a better climate this wouldn't even be worthy of comment. And some comments... my oh my.... some posters have serious body issues.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:15

But to get back to the original OP "Is this a major safeguarding issue?"

The UK parliament, UK law and the NSPCC all do NOT think it is a safeguarding issue.

End of.

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 12:16

*to clarify from one of my previous post, I certainly don’t think children should be FORCED to go to such an event and certainly should be allowed to cover up if they wanted to go but wanted to wear a swimsuit.

Limensoda · 08/03/2019 12:18

I never saw a naked man's body until I was in my mind teens. I was also told to cover up all the time.
It was a bloody shock to meet when I saw an adults penis and I was ashamed of my own body. I was too shy to let boyfriends or my ex see me naked. It caused problems and I would rather my kids knew what naked people looked like.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:19

Yes, but if the kids are covered up (and to be honest, I'm not sure a child could make an informed decision about whether they want to cover up or not due to a) their age and b) the sort of environment they are being raised where going to a nudist swim sesh is a normal way to spend an evening) , unless they are also blindfolded, they are still going to see adult genitals of people they don't know. Are they consenting to that?

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:22

You are saying it as thought there is something wrong with kids seeing adults naked. There isn't.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:22

Why is the choice either 'go to swim sessions where loads of random adults are going to be naked' or 'cover up all the time and teach your children to be totally ashamed of your body'. Is there no happy medium?

You can see pretty much naked bodies at any swim session if you want to teach your kids that people come in all shapes and sizes. I really don't think there is any need for kids to see the genitals of adults they don't know, but maybe that makes me a prude.

eyeswideshit · 08/03/2019 12:23

Yes, but if the kids are covered up (and to be honest, I'm not sure a child could make an informed decision about whether they want to cover up or not due to a) their age and b) the sort of environment they are being raised where going to a nudist swim sesh is a normal way to spend an evening) , unless they are also blindfolded, they are still going to see adult genitals of people they don't know. Are they consenting to that?

What is so wrong about seeing the adult genitals of someone you don't know?

Meandmetoo · 08/03/2019 12:24

There is a middle ground between no naked bodies at all and a fuck load of adults naked at a place usually designed to appeal to kids Hmm

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:25

What is so wrong about seeing the adult genitals of someone you don't know?

So if someone came up to you and flashed you in the street, you wouldn't have a problem with that? Because there is nothing wrong with seeing the adults genitals of someone you don't know? Confused

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:25

Also, the thought of all those bare arses on the slides

Original poster
Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 12:26

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4246958/Convicted-paedophile-can-continue-naked-Alton-Towers-trips-rules-judge.html

He’d also been going to the waterworld events. He won’t be the only one.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2019 12:26

I live in Germany and people have no problem differentiating between what goes in naturist beaches & resorts
and what goes in everyday socialising in private homes

  • in Germany, some people do naturism; some don't ... It's only in designated places so people don't strip off at home if they're expecting visitors, anymore than we would.

There aren't a load of traumatised German - and Scandinavian etc - kids complaining of having seen naked adults in naturist resorts
and just about every beach or outdoor lake I've seen here has a naturist section.

People in some countries in the Middle East etc think it disgusting that women or girls wear shorts & T-shirts in public
They are wrong about it inflaming lust in all these men who see them

Paedophiles don't commit their crimes because of how few clothes their victims wear
They commit crimes because they are predators who seek out children not being supervised, online or in rl.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:28

There is no more or less danger from him at a clothed event than at an unclothed event. In fact there would be more danger at a clothed event as he could hide his excitement better and children are more likely to be unsupervised.

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 12:29

rockyflintstone you’re absolutely right, there should be a happy medium! But maybe that will only happen when one side concedes that naked doesn’t (always) = sexual and the other side concedes that not everyone is comfortable with nudity and should be allowed to wear what they want without fear of being judged as either a prude or a pervert.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:30

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6785497/Naturist-Hermes-driver-exposed-schoolgirl-pregnant-woman.html

What about this guy? He cuts holes in his jeans so when he delivers your parcel, you get a good look at his meat and two veg? But it's just genitals right?

And I know the adults have gone to this willingly and so already consent to see other blokes todgers, but children can't consent to that. What if the child feels uncomfortable with it, because they know that 'what's in your pants is supposed to be private'?

eyeswideshit · 08/03/2019 12:30

*What is so wrong about seeing the adult genitals of someone you don't know?

So if someone came up to you and flashed you in the street, you wouldn't have a problem with that? Because there is nothing wrong with seeing the adults genitals of someone you don't know? confused*

If a man was simply walking down the street going about his business, but naked, it wouldn't give a shit. If a man was wearing clothing and whipped it out in front of me for his own excitement/to horrify me, I'd laugh in his face.

Do you not see the difference between the two scenarios? Because the law certainly does

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:31

So do people disagree with the NSPCC PANTS message then?

MadAboutWands · 08/03/2019 12:32

YY BCF
I think a lot of the reactions in this thread are about posters being uncomfortable with nudity and the idea of being makes in front of adults or children.

It’s like rape. A woman doesn’t invite rape because she is wearing a short skirt. She couod be wearing the most covering type of costume, it doesn’t matter because rape is about control and over over the victim.
In the same way, seeing a child naked isn’t going to make a paedophile more of a paedophile. They don’t need to see a naked child to become on.
The rules in that sort if case shouod be the ones you have anywhere re protecting your dcs. Because, unfortunately, being dressed isn’t what is going to protect them.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:32

To expand on eyeswideshit's point

library.college.police.uk/docs/nudity.pdf

UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 12:33

unless they are also blindfolded, they are still going to see adult genitals of people they don't know.

That's what happens in standard sex education lessons. They seem to survive.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:34

The NSPCC PANTS message is all about respecting personal boundaries in an age appropriate way and preventing secrecy.

Totally different to naturism.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 12:34

That's what happens in standard sex education lessons. They seem to survive.

Yes, once they are at an age where it is deemed appropriate. Also, an actual real life bloke doesn't come in and get his kit off and stand there does he? (It's a while since I was at school...)

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 12:35

No, of course not. Becasue it is compulosory to attend school wheras it is a family choice to attend a naturist event.

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