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AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

744 replies

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 03:40

NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

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FissionChip5 · 08/03/2019 11:37

Why would a paedophile go to the bother of especially going to a naturist event when any local park with a paddling pool has parents stripping their children and letting them run around in the sun stark naked

Non naturist parents don’t tend to allow naked men to jump in the paddling pool next to their naked child.
Naturist event means they can swim up close to the child, rub against naked buttocks and genitals when going past, possibly a little underwater swimming for a better view etc.

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 11:38

FissionChip5 - There seems to be some type of campaign going on in society to break down peoples boundries, especially children’s boundaries.

I completely agree, but I think your efforts are wasted here, but thank you for your input. I’ll keep my kids glued to me where I know they’re safe, and before any smart arse suggests it, yes I do homeschool.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 08/03/2019 11:40

should we dress our children top-to-toe in tiny burkhas whenever

Or just leave their nappies on so they don’t do a dump in the water.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 11:40

There are some seriously sick people on this thread. I suggest you all move to a country where everyone has to cover up comepletely if you are so sick as to find such perversion in the natual, naked body.

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 11:41

Thats a bit like saying that its ok to use the p word to describe a Pakistani national as its not being used as general insult to all ethnic minorities/muslims.

But I don’t want to offend that select group of people, I don’t care about offending paedophiles and would and actually have used the very offensive N word to their faces. They don’t deserve oxygen, let alone good manners

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UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 11:42

8 - 10pm is too late for young kids

That's up to the parents to decide, surely. It's not a reason to ban the event.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 11:43

Any parent who would specifically take their kid to this event is a fucking weirdo.

That is all.

UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 11:45

It’s not the same as being on a beach (which I personally wouldn’t attend with my DCs), there’s better visibility for supervision on a beach.

Not true. The average beach visited by families has cafés, beach shops, play equipment, surf schools, and countless windbreaks - to say nothing of caves and rocky outcrops.

Happyspud · 08/03/2019 11:46

I think it’s simply a case of people who can’t understand the lifestyle choice or thinking of a naturist. It’s really not about sex but most people who are not naturists can’t stop thinking about the naked=sexual element so won’t be able to get it.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 11:47

By using the word nonce you are offending gay men. You are basically saying that gay men are paedophiles becasue that is the way the word has been used as an insult for many, many years.

eyeswideshit · 08/03/2019 11:49

But I don’t want to offend that select group of people, I don’t care about offending paedophiles and would and actually have used the very offensive N word to their faces. They don’t deserve oxygen, let alone good manners

The group outside Blackpool swim were calling all the men nonces as they walked in. Its fantastic they've found a way of weeding out every paedophile that exists. Maybe they should share their method with the police.

Paperdoll1 · 08/03/2019 11:49

I am being naiive here by saying if it offends you...just don't go?

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 11:50

FYI

AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?
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UnspiritualHome · 08/03/2019 11:50

I don't think most people assume that a paedophile will attack a child at an event like this...what makes most people unhappy about it is the thought of those people getting a kick out of looking.

But then, paedophiles get a kick of looking at children at swimming pools, playing in parks and playgrounds, or indeed being anywhere in public. Should we put all children in burkas to prevent that?

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 11:54

By using the word nonce you are offending gay men. You are basically saying that gay men are paedophiles becasue that is the way the word has been used as an insult for many, many years.

What, specifically towards gay men? I havent heard that, I have heard it used universally towards paedophiles, regardless of their victim, particularly in the context of prison. I've not heard it as a specific homosexual slur?

Obviously there has been the conflation of homosexuals and paedophiles, but I haven't heard it with that particularly word.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 11:55

I'm sure if you looked up the dictionary definition of many an offensive term it would differ from the general usage.

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 11:56

Rocky - for many years gay men have been called nonces by homophobic people.

RockyFlintstone · 08/03/2019 11:56

But then, paedophiles get a kick of looking at children at swimming pools, playing in parks and playgrounds, or indeed being anywhere in public. Should we put all children in burkas to prevent that?

No, but why do you need to take your kid to an event where all the adults are going to be bollock naked? Kids don't need to see naked adults outside of their own family, do they? Confused

Comefromaway · 08/03/2019 11:56

Why not?

Alieeeeeens · 08/03/2019 11:56

Wow. So many seriously negative minded people here!

I’m not a naturist and the thought of being naked in public scares me somewhat but that’s down to my own body image issues. That said, I have worn a bikini before and, really, there’s not much in it (figuratively and literally in my case!). I went to Germany to visit some friends and went to a sauna where nudity was not compulsory but expected. I eventually took my bikini top off and nothing bad happened, hurrah!

I actually have a great deal of respect for people who have the confidence to be naked on the beach.

Really, there’s nothing unnatural about being naked - it’s how we’re born right?

I understand that the big issue for most people here is the idea of children being naked and it attracting paedophiles. What happened before we had clothes? Was everyone a paedophile?

It really kind of upsets me that the world has come to things shouldn’t happen because a paedophile might be present. A very sad indictment of humanity.

As a lot of people have pointed out - paedophiles will likely look at children clothes on or clothes off - surely, if the paedophile is also at this event and is aroused, it would be pretty obvious they were aroused and they would stand out (no pun intended).

Why are some people only talking about males? Females have recently been in the news as child abusers too.

Secondly, I think it’s disgraceful that people are commenting saying that any parent who took their child to this event should be noted by social services! I loved being nude as a child and running around in the garden or on holiday on the beach - it doesn’t make my parents paedophiles or people who condone child abuse! I have a baby girl and she hates wearing clothes and even whinges at having to be in a nappy (and no I’m not putting them on her wrong 😂). That doesn’t mean I’ll be letting her run around town in nothing but her birthday suit when she’s older but if she wants to wander around the house nude for a bit when she’s a toddler or go in a paddling pool as another poster has mentioned she can go for it. Teaching kids that they have to be covered at all times is unhealthy for body image.

Look, if you don’t like the idea or agree with it, just don’t go or have anything to do with it? I don’t get why you think it’s such a big deal? All these busybodies signing petitions - why? Is your child going? Are you being forced in to attendance? Just live and let live then! Christ, life is too short to be so bloody judgemental and if something goes wrong then it won’t happen again. With all the safeguarding in place and I imagine any parents WILL have thought of the potential dangers and spoken to children in advance and I bet they’ll be keeping a close eye on them at the event.

interesting that OP says “grow up” to someone who took offence at their phrasing and doesn’t like any opposing views to their own....hmm

SinkGirl · 08/03/2019 11:56

Do they allow single men? As I understand it lots of naturist clubs / camps that have families don’t allow single men.

As if child abusers are never married / have children of their own!

eyeswideshit · 08/03/2019 11:56

@Whatthefudgeisthis

By that definition most paedophiles aren't nonces, as most aren't convicted. Of those that are, around 75% are one that have sexually abused a child within their own family. Child sexual abusers are statistically more likely to be dads, grandads and uncles, rather than a random guy at a naturist swim.

Whatthefudgeisthis · 08/03/2019 11:56

RockyFlintstone I’ve never heard it either. Whenever, I’ve heard it, it’s been specifically used as terminology for child sex offenders

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SinkGirl · 08/03/2019 11:58

All these busybodies signing petitions - why?

Because one in five children are sexually abused - I was, were you? Perhaps you wouldn’t be so blasé if you were.

DishingOutDone · 08/03/2019 11:58

Why is there even a need for this? Is it simply to allow people who think justify anyhting by saying "human body is natural" etc to get their junk out in public?

Should we put all children in burkas to prevent that? - no but you can always put a fucking swimming costume on yourself, and stick one on your kids too. Who in their right mind would want to attend this? I think people just get a kick out of it, either sexual or because they are being "naughty" and dress it up as enlightenment. Rank.