AIBU or is this a MAJOR safeguarding issue?

[Whatthefudgeisthis]

NC for this,

I’ve been absolutely stunned at the ignorance shown by the organisers with this one! A naturist night at the water park 😱 this place is designed for kids entertainment, it’s basically loads of water slides a wave pool and play area etc
Who in their right mind would take a child to such an event. Obviously I’m not shooting down naturists, each to their own, but this is an event that ANYONE can attend. Known paedophiles have attended these events, with one saying that he can’t even swim. What the actual fuck is going on? Who thought this one up?
If adults want to swim naked that’s their call, but why open the event to children too?

I’m pretty sure I’m not the one missing the blindingly obvious here, but I’m so amazed at the stupidity I had to share and maybe raise some awareness.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/whats-on/family-nude-swimming-session-coming-2589946

These events are being held across the country, so there’s possibly one near you.

Sick bastards!

^ Succinctly put.

I have just been on the BN website - obviously not looking in the right place so was wondering where the link is for their safeguarding policies and procedures? Where does it state that taking photos is banned?
Also, please tell me that the online community gallery does not allow naked photos of children on there??
Feel like I’m in a parallel universe with this thread...I am contacting the NSPCC myself to ask them to explain how they can support child naturism when it completely contradicts their safeguarding advice.

I am leaving this thread now, not because I have been convinced by any of those arguing that family naturist evets should be banned, but because it has become a waste of time arguing with people who do not listen to fact and logic, but merely repeat the same slogans. I feel sorry for your children, being brought up to believe that their bodies and other people's bodies are shameful, and that nudity automatically implies a sexual motive. This may be true of you, but it is certainly not true of many other people who live happy heathy family lives, many of whom are naturists.

No one is saying nudity = sexual motive except you. And you keep saying prude (in a shaming way) and that you'd consider calling your children and grandchildren that if they dared to go against you, and you'd consider 'letting' them choose not to get naked in front of you if they didn't want to. It's frankly fucking disturbing.

Go and get your weird grotty little kicks elsewhere.

ordinarydad
You weren’t making a valid argument anyway.
You’ve not come across as liberal, more like someone that needs their hard drive checking.

"more like someone that needs their hard drive checking."

Between saying he'd consider 'letting' his children and grandchildren not have to be naked around him if they said they weren't happy with it anymore, saying child abuse images aren't that bad, using classic grooming language whether intended or not and saying there's 'probably' a sick mind involved with child abuse images (probably? Wtaf?) ......yea,........probably the sort of person who would make me say "come on now kids" while dragging them away if they got chatting iyswim. Gut feeling etc etc.

You’ve not come across as liberal, more like someone that needs their hard drive checking.

This!

Just...wow. He went right back to calling everyone prudes, accusing everyone of teaching their children that their bodies are shameful and accusing everyone of saying that naturism = sex. Then accuses everyone of using repeated slogans!! Of course everything he has put is based in “fact and logic”. Disturbing and utterly delusional.

...plus he didn’t answer my questions about the BN website.

Though I think it very suspicious and a bit sick to want to take a lot of photos of other people's children (and not a thing I would want to do), strictly legally it is not 'child abuse', as no actual harm is done to the children

The business of keeping and viewing illegal photographs of children is probably a symptom of a sick mind, but again it does not harm the child.

Right, now any remaining naturists, would you be happy with this sick fuck having a swim near your kids????

His shit attempt at grooming the good people of Mumsnet hasn’t gone unnoticed, but his words speak for themselves, he believes there isn’t an issue with child abuse images and believes him being naked around your children can only be a good thing.

If I’m missing something here, please fucking enlighten me!

Bit funny how no naturist on this thread had a problem with those sick comments, just jumped in to try and help his (non) argument instead.

I’m stunned, I really am.

Very glad to see that disgusting post has gone.

if some sick freak is going there to purposely look at children, children shouldn’t be at that event.

I'm afraid I wholeheartedly disagree with this principle. We don't ban things wholesale just because a minority of people might misuse it. That goes for anything, not just events which children may be attending.

For the vast majority of people, a naked swim with the family and likeminded friends is a pleasant, relaxing and fun social event, like any that you or I might attend.

Of course, this might attract a paedophile, but
A) what if it doesn't? You'd have spoilt an innocent afternoon for so many peop for no reason at all.
and
B) wouldn't it be better if we worked harder on identifying dangerous individuals and keeping them out?

I would say we’ve identified one on this very thread!

jux

I am guessing that you haven't read the full thread.

It isn't just about protection from dangerous individuals

Also, the naked swims are not just family and likeminded friends.

Also, there are lots of other jolly things families could do together if the naked swims were made adult only, to make the loss of such a family event more bearable for everyone, such as:

• a normal swimming session at a local pool where there'd be lots of kids playing, everyone fully costumed as usual - many kids love this sort of thing
• theme parks
• museums
• doing imaginary play together (with dressing up clothes on as well as normal clothes)
• long walks
• building dens
• reading together
• doing science experiments

and many more.

For the vast majority of people, a naked swim with the family and likeminded friends is a pleasant, relaxing and fun social event, like any that you or I might attend I really can't work whether you are being ironic there.

"Also, there are lots of other jolly things families could do together if the naked swims were made adult only, to make the loss of such a family event more bearable for everyone"

That's like saying to a woman who you're trying to ban from wearing a hijab - don't worry there's lots of other fun headgear you could wear...

Or to Christians who you're trying to ban from going to church - don't worry, there's lots of other interesting deities we can point you in the direction of...

Trying to ban something based on your personal dislike and offering other things, based on your own opinion, is really something else...

Jux - thank you, I wholeheartedly agree, that banning something on the base of potential (but actionable) risk is a sad road to go down...

claireluna5 re your comment to me - really not. Feck all to do with personal likes and dislikes. I damn hope the law gets changed over this.

I will be sending an email to NSPCC tomorrow, for sure.

@itwasntpreeclampsia

I can sense how upset you are about all this.

I'm sure NSPCC will answer any concerns you have xxx

Angry and not very impressed with your posts or those of ordinarydad.

Your kisses seem rather passive aggressive.

You clearly have a preconceived view of naturism. You've never once attempted to see my side, from the gentle insights I've given about what naturism is (and isn't) - you referred to me to another user as patronising (if you met me you'd know I'm nothing of the sort), naive because of my lifestyle choices and you questioned my genuine empathy for a child abuse survivor.

I'm happy to interact and discuss with people, but putting sarcastic comments about other things a naturist could do with their children, as if they never would have thought or done those things anyway, is making things more personal than anything.

But, I understand that we are all different, and that you will have your reasons for feeling as you do.

So, genuinely, Mum to Mum, which is what this group is, I wish you well xxx

Claireluna5

I’m genuinely interested in your thoughts on ordinarydads comments.
He’s obviously mixing in the same circles as yourself and your family, does this not worry you?

I haven't read it all to be honest - if there's anything in particular about that you want to ask me, please do and I'll try my best xx