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Gossip that has gone very wrong

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ChorltonCreamery · 07/03/2019 14:19

One of my children is in an 'organisation' think church group, Scouts etc They are in a friendship group of about six or eight and the mothers are friendly enough, if some of them don't know each other they will have mutual friends etc.
One of the women 'A' is a real character, very funny and charismatic with very talented and charming children. When one of her children came to my child's birthday party I thought that her grandfather had brought her...it was their father. A is married to a man old enough to be her father. He has grandchildren who are older than his children with A.
At the weekend the mothers went out together for the first time but 'A' couldn't come. The conversation turned to 'A' and the relationship that she had with this man. At no point was it 'nasty' as such but comments were made about the age gap etc. One parent admitted that the family had not been invited to a gathering at a school friend's house because the husband had found it weird to have to talk to someone old enough to be his dad.
Well last night in front of some of the children 'A' confronted us! She had been briefed (I think by a woman at the next table to us who had lingered after her bill came). She completely demolished us intellectually, asking what had she done to provoke such a reaction and picked on us individually. Unforgivably she then asked a teenager whether her mother had brought her up to behave so despicably a manner and whether she thought it was appropriate to gossip behind people's backs. One of the group disappeared round a corner and was sick.
It was utterly hideous. I know I am guilty of joining in. I don't know what to do. One of the other children has told my child what happened. Only one of the group has responded to my text saying that she thinks that 'the circle' is at an end and the other person that she has spoken to has spent the morning in bed with a migraine.
I know I am to blame for joining in but I didn't initiate the gossip, but how would you react now. What is the way forward?

OP posts:
goingonabearhunt1 · 08/03/2019 19:33

Does no-one else think that the woman who silently listened in and then reported back is kind of mean and a trouble maker? Seems unnecessary to repeat a drunken conversation. Not saying the gossiping was right btw and the group should of course apologise.

dragonsfire · 08/03/2019 19:42

Awe a good old hypocritical church group - judging others and bitching when their way of life doesn’t suit their ideals 🙄

If believe the bible Joseph was old enough to be Mary’s dad btw!

For the man uncomfortable inviting someone older what an embarrassment- my partner is over ten years older than me, one of my best friends over 10 years younger than me so he is old enough to be her dad. She thinks he is awesome and they get on amazingly she is early 20’s acts more grown up than these people.

Good on the lady for kicking you into touch, you need to apologise and include the partner or not be friends with her as your not very good ones!

She may have been abit harsh talking to the teenager but maybe she has had years of comments and sniggering judgment, then thought she had found a lovely group of friends who liked and accepted her only to find out they are a bunch of two faced arseholes!

You should all be ashamed!

Shiroc · 08/03/2019 19:42

What a shame, the mum considered you as friends but you let her down. I don't think apology will be effective. If I was her I will struggle to befriend you ladies again.

NataliaOsipova · 08/03/2019 19:49

What a shame, the mum considered you as friends but you let her down.

Shiroc wins the thread - I think this is the perfect summary of the whole sorry episode....

Yb23487643 · 08/03/2019 20:03

Apologise but tbh that kind of talk is expected if you marry someone with such a huge age gap. But it’s gossip, not malicious & would be weird if it hadnt come up in conversation. If I were her I would expect & forgive the gossiping but is awful for her family to have been excluded from anything because of it

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 20:03

Sparkerparker. I'm extremely sorry you've had horrible gossip said about you. I think this has naturally made you very sympathetic to lady A. I was picked on for a while and bullied and I imagine it must be like that so I really am very sorry for you. I do hope it's all in the past now. I have a feeling though that this example isn't quite the same. I don't think the group apart from the terrible woman and worse husband who wouldn't invite the older husband to an event, the rest don't seem to have said anything bad and they hadn't been in the habit of talking about A - this was a one-off. Also they appear not to know A particularly well, which would lead to natural enquiries about who knows her etc.
When I re-read the OP I realised there is definitely something more here. I am not even sure if the group were "gossiping" in a very unkind way apart from that ignorant and immature person and her even worse husband who didn't invite couple A. That is appalling. But I get the impression that the others were talking in a fairly normal human way. People do talk about people and big differences do get discussed. It's how they are discussed that matters. Until that horrible remark, I was under the impression the other remarks were quite harmless. The OP says "At no point was it 'nasty' as such but comments were made about the age gap" and then mentions the remark which she obviously dislikes.
Lady A's reactions to them all is very powerful almost dramatic. But first, I think the woman at the next table is truly the evil gossip (see my post above). I think she took the strains of the conversation she overheard and eagerly embellished them picking out the one detrimental remark and tittle tattled it readily to A as a "concerned friend". The evil muck-stirring little skunk.

And A? She sounds to me as if she never once stopped to think whether she had been given a fair impression of the overheard conversation. She clearly is able to stick up for herself. I am not sure, but I wonder if she enjoyed the opportunity to tear into people with such power that she could make one at least physically sick. In her position, hearing that people were talking about me the first time, I would have started by asking them what they had said. Then asked them if they denied what I had been told they said. Then, if I felt it were necessary, I would have addressed them about whether this was the right way to treat a friend. Lady A couldn't wait to rip into everyone. No stopping to check the facts for her.

That A was so nasty to a teenager tells us a lot about her. She is not bothered about finding the truth, she would rather believe a tittle tattling gossip. She does not care about the feelings of a child, she would rather bully one. She does not care whether it is fair to pick on a teenager, she would rather enjoy crushing one. She does not care whether it is justified to pick on people one by one and demolish them verbally, she just enjoys ripping into them. Without ascertaining whether they had said anything good or bad or indifferent or nothing at all about her.
I have my suspicions about her. Group finished? I expect so. Is that a bad thing? No, it's just as well.

ChorltonCreamery. Regarding apologising, my apologies! I think now a small bunch of flowers maybe! But keep your head high!!! I really have the impression you have been brow-beaten into seeing yourself as guilty when all you might have done is to say yes he did look as old as a grandfather when you first saw him. And as he has grandchildren older than his children by A, your impression can hardly be taken as unkind or mean. I think you were caught in a situation where people spoke nicely and the truth about A+her DH, and only one person said one awful thing - the not inviting thing. That was not your fault! You are a normal woman. People talk about people. You didn't say anything untrue or unkind. Then real gossip mean minded muck raking shit stirrer trots off to embellish all she has heard and pour it into the willing ear of A.
Forget the flowers! She bloody well can apologise to you for assuming you were saying unkind things about her and she didn't even bother to find out the truth. You did not do anything unkind! you have no need to be upset! you can tell her so!!

I've really go to go to bed - migraine - getting visual disturbances don't want to start being sick!
Please hold your head up highSmile
You didn't stick up fro yourself I think because you described yourself as gossiping which sounds bad. . Think which you did:
gossip = saying nasty things, muck-raking
conversation = discussing facts benignly.
good luck!! Flowers for you!

Elderflower14 · 08/03/2019 20:19

My late husband was 35 years older than me. I would prob have said something similar if it happened to me!

expat101 · 08/03/2019 20:20

I'm actually pleased that someone (whoever it was) found their balls to tell A what was said and by whom. This discussion should have been nipped in the bud or walked away from as it's of no concern to anyone else.

My guess is A is feeling very much like she has been targeted by a pack and would be feeling absolutely gutted. I would go and see her after the weekend, message her first that you would like to catch up and make your apologies or clear the air without buck passing the blame along to the others. Put it right.

DeniseRoyal · 08/03/2019 20:24

A sounds like a lovely person. You on the other hand, sound like a childish drama queen, like the rest of the gang. If I was A I would tell you all to fuck off and grow up.

Itssosunny · 08/03/2019 20:27

Did the husband leave his old wife for a younger one or did they separate?

CarpeVitam · 08/03/2019 20:32

Well that was quite a 'pile on'! 🙄

Belenus · 08/03/2019 20:47

I missed a point about the gossipy cow on the next table. She's the shit stirrer and the one who isn't the friend of A! She's just a slimy piece of muck-raking arse-licking point-scoring by dropping you in the shit trouble-making bitch that needs calling out in this. How well did she convey the exact truth to friend A? Lavishings of extra helpings of how mean you were and nastiness I bet!

Really? You got all that from this thread? If "friends" of mine were saying hurtful things behind my back, including revealing that my DH and I weren't invited to certain things because of his age, I'd want to know. I'd appreciate being told that my friends weren't all that.

CockSpadget · 08/03/2019 20:52

There was no tittle tattling eavesdropper, one of your lovely group (probably the vominatrix) has enlightened A about her being the topic of conversation.

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 21:01

user1471453601. I think you epitomise what is wrong with the interpretation the vast majority of respondents are giving to the OP's post. You say:
I think the OP and her friends did much more than merely mentioning the age gap
How the hell do you reach that conclusion?
What is it about the phrase at no point that you do not understand? The OP says at no point was it "nasty" " even using apostrophes around ''nasty". Then she is very honest and gives ONE example of a horrible thing said, which clearly is given so we know that ONE person actually said a distasteful thing but everything else was benign. In so doing it is clear she does not find that statement acceptable.

I think the OP has come to the wrong group for advice. She's met a holier-than-thou, perfect, never gossipy, crowd of absolute angels all ready to stone her for her honesty. Of course, they never gossip. They meet and talk about facts about friends, like, who is getting married. And if someone's husband is older than the wife they might mention it but nothing more.

What makes you think that this OP's group, apart from that one person, were any different? The OP has many positive things to say about A which none of you have called gossiping. I suspect the OP's only mistake is to not detach herself from the one bad comment and the person who made it, and to think that they were all gossiping when they were probably not being unpleasant at all.

The unpleasant person is the gossip who listened in and took the bad bit, which I feel sure she embellished, and told A. She had no good intentions there. That was malicious trouble-making. She wanted to stir up trouble and ingratiate herself to A.

As for A - I think the way she tore into people in front of children, without ascertaining the facts, and her wickedly unkind scorning of the teenage boy, do not add up to a decent person. She listened to a gossip. She did not bother to find out the truth.

When will you listen to the truth?

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 21:02

CockSpadget. Explain how you know this.

RollaCola84 · 08/03/2019 21:04

SparkiePolastri

in our group ‘s children went to.
It is highly unusual in this group to have this much of an age gap

Don't think so.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 08/03/2019 21:08

That A was so nasty to a teenager tells us a lot about her.

Yeah that it's possibly the teenager that spread the gossip rather that some random woman,whom no one knows and whose only sin is to not leave straight after paying the bill.

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 21:09

Belenus. Yes I did get all that. If "one of your friends" overheard that you had not been invited for such a disgusting reason, I would have thought that "one of your friends" would have gone to the person after they said it and told them what a shitty person they were, there and then.

What I find interesting is that you are assuming that the group were saying hurt full things (plural) when the OP has told us that this was the only bad comment and only one person said it.

And yes - I do think it is a shit-stirring gossiping person who inflames their "friend" into such a frenzy that they behave as A did. Or if A is given to such behaviour, especially in front of children and to children, then A isn't all she should be.

I have to - migraine got too much now.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 08/03/2019 21:11

“Vominatrix”

@Cockspadget wins 2019

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 21:13

go - as in I have to go now

Ravenesque · 08/03/2019 21:18

I was once the gossiper, although I only gossiped to one person. There were reasons I could have given for my behaviour, but they were bloody short of making any of it all right. I was caught out when the person I'd gossiped to took it all to a level of such nastiness that I wanted to curl up and die. I remember it so well and my blood runs cold when I think about it. Anyway, I did the right thing, owned up, told her where the other person had got the information, told her how desperately sorry I was, how badly I knew I had behaved, etc. Quite rightly, she didn't accept my apology and I respected that. Fast forward nearly a decade and she sent me lovely presents when I was seriously ill in hospital and we spoke. We lost the closeness of the friendship and we'll never get that back again, but she forgave me and that felt like a bigger gift than anything she sent to me in hospital.

It taught me a really important message. I would never do that again, I respect people's secrets, I don't slag off things that might annoy me, because god knows none of us is perfect.

My advice is to apologise, she might accept it or she might not, but more than that, learn from it. Don't ever be in that situation again. If a group are gossiping and it gets anywhere near nasty, or laughing at someone, or whatever, make it clear that you're not interested and that you think it's unkind/whatever. That's all you can do.

Belenus · 08/03/2019 21:19

I have to - migraine got too much now.

One of the gossips found the thread then.

Ellyess · 08/03/2019 21:22

YourSarcasmIsDripping

possibly ?? How so? I don't see the teenager mentioned at the discussion the mothers had when they went out.

It's wonderful the talent some people have for construing ideas from nowhere and dropping them into a scenario as "possibilities" when there is no evidence of them at all, even from a phrase such as the mothers went out together a teenager can be added without being mentioned.......

BrendasUmbrella · 08/03/2019 21:27

A sounds like a lovely person.

Dose she though? I can understand her feeling triggered about gossip, it was probably the umpteenth time it had happened. But to lose her shit enough to start picking on a teenager.

Yeah that it's possibly the teenager that spread the gossip rather that some random woman,whom no one knows and whose only sin is to not leave straight after paying the bill.

No, she was the daughter of one of the gossips, she just happened to be there during the row.

sagradafamiliar · 08/03/2019 21:35

Has anyone logged this abhorrent bile-filled shitshow yet?
OP I can only hope you spend the rest of your life righting this wrong, Jean Valjean-style. You throughly deserve the frenzy you've sparked here...bring back capital punishment, I say! Don't mention anyone else, ever, in any conversation ever again and unleash the hounds of hell on anyone who doesn't invite every acquaintance to their home for gatherings as they clearly can't function in society! Froth froth froth....