To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

It’s affecting the whole of Pathology. We have a contingency plan but are not allowed to fund it.

that's what happens when everyone is entitled to a vote, when many do not fully understand the consequences.

I feel like this should be the tagline for Brexit.

Disgusting how so many people have been lied to, and this is the reality of what they were told to vote for. Thankful I have dual citizenship, but heartbroken for the British people and Britain in general.

"it won’t be the UK stopping drugs etc entering the country, it will be the EU. Do you actually believe people who would blockade drugs from entering, effectively murdering people are the good guys?"

No it won't be the EU, it will be leavers beloved WTO, because once the UK leaves the EU without a deal it results in WTO rules, which means that all countries must be treated the same under MFN rules.

This is what leaving means, it doesn't mean everything continues unchanged, leavers always say they voted for change, this is the change you brought about.

However the leavers will blame the EU, it will all be someone else's fault, because they voted for rainbows and unicorns.

Pathetic.

I'm shocked by the poster who said all the remainers should be 1st in line to get medical help, before the leavers because thats what they have voted for.. wow. Thats a pretty inhumane thing to say. You have cancer/dying? OK - what did you vote for? Leave? Sorry - back of the line please.

That wouldn't be fair would it? But basically by voting leave, the leavers have potentially put any of us at risk of delayed treatment, increased suffering and potentially dying sooner. And we just have to be ok with that. Well I'm not ok with that.

Leavers say they voted for change. But not that change! Or that one! Or that one! etc...

We need to bring in a law to protect us from this abuse.

This has made me laugh so much. Thank you.

We need to bring in a law to protect us from this abuse

So you're saying voting Leave should be a protected characteristic...?

And you want us to move away from stereotypes surrounding leavers and stupidity?

Er, no it’s not. The “elite” are the most pro-Remain group in the country. They benefit most from the EU. The AB social classes, the richest in society are the only ones who voted by a majority for Remain. The poorer you someone is, the more likely to vote Leave they are

I’m not talking about the voting masses. I’m not talking about the wealthy remainers on mumsnet with their £200k incomes. I’m talking about the super rich behind the scenes that are working the country like a puppet on a string.

It's not about the EU blockading us, it's very simply about inter EU and international import and export regulations and the time taken for border control.

Do you honestly think that people are stupid enough to fall for that rubbish? Import and export and border control are not things which happen by magic. They are enforced by countries and states. Who do you think will be enforcing these magic rules? Douglas of the Magic Fair Ground? Maleficent? The Cheshire Cat? Any other ludicrous fictional characters?

The companies who manufacture them will still want the orders. The haulage firms won’t want to turn away the business. The UK is going to still want to buy the supplies and the UK Border Force won’t be the ones turning supplies away.

The only conceivable people who would stop or delay them entering our country would be border employees employed by the EU and EU members governments.

And you genuinely think they are nice people in a benign organisation? What would you think if you saw a video of, say the US, blockading drugs getting to Mexico and Central America from Canada? Film of people dying in Mexico for lack of supplies?

Well you’d probably be having a hissy fit going ‘Waaaah, Trump’. But when the EU does it, that’s fine’. You’d be calling it genocide and demanding the UN stop it.

Go on, tell me then, who are these magic murderous pixies who will be stopping supplies getting in from the continent rather than representatives of the EU or their member states?

Go on, I’m all ears.

'Brexit will affect cancer treatment.'

'Scare tactic number 33' in the Remainer Manual.

MissedTheBoatAgain you are the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

I’m not talking about the voting masses. I’m not talking about the wealthy remainers on mumsnet with their £200k incomes. I’m talking about the super rich behind the scenes that are working the country like a puppet on a string.

Ah right. So it’s a conspiracy theory. More magic pixies. Let’s ignore the fact that Remain is largely financed by one of the richest men in the world, and we know that. It’s all documented and publicly known. Unlike your magic billionaire pixies.

The amount of denial still is astounding, but we live in an age where so many seem to think there is no such thing as actual experts.

Where I get my nails done, mum and adult daughter small salon, the daughter voted leave, she, 'can't wait' for us to leave.

I mentioned pacemakers and her attitude was, "so what? I don't need one"

She paints nails for her living, something anyone can cut down on or cut out of their life when they lose their job but she doesn't care.

That’s fine EyesAreNeverClosing

but are you ok with not getting a pay rise because your company does really well out of brexit? are you ok with leavers reaping all the rewards that come our way because you didn’t vote for it so don’t really deserve anything?

You can’t have it both ways, although I’m sure you think you can.

"Do you honestly think that people are stupid enough to fall for that rubbish?"

Do you honestly think that people will fall for your crap about this being the EU's fault or that there will be EU blocks on it?

Your point shows you have a barely functioning understanding of how international trade works or how a vote to leave has led to this situation.

'Scare tactic number 33' in the Remainer Manual.

Are you even reading the thread? It's not scaremongering

Fizzy13

This is my field in the NHS. We are going to struggle to get the isotopes we need for both treatment and diagnosis as everything comes from Europe. Some of my patients are likely to die earlier and in more pain as a result. I told my MP this and he didn't even write back.

I have genuinely been worried sick about exactly these kinds of consequences for months and months now. The information for all of this has been out there, but so often just dismissed or ignored.

It really saddens me that we'd do this to ourselves, and clearly a lot of people just do not get how huge the impact of us leaving will be, and how life-threatening for some.
I have friends and family who voted leave (for non-xenophobic reasons most of them), basically as a reaction to austerity, and wanting change, and almost feeling that if the 'scare stories' were true, then finally everyone would have a terrible time, so something might change politically. I disagree with them, and I fear the future, but wouldn't sneer at them because of it. I just hope they do realise quickly enough that the scientists, medical professionals etc were telling the truth, and we need to stop all this before people die unnecessarily.

Please, anyone who's worried about this - go on the march on 23rd March, or write to your MP.

"Let’s ignore the fact that Remain is largely financed by one of the richest men in the world, and we know that. It’s all documented and publicly known. Unlike your magic billionaire pixies"

And leave is fininaced by the people? Or billionaires and press barons and led by the super right wing publicly educated members of the Tory party?

The companies who manufacture them will still want the orders. The haulage firms won’t want to turn away the business. The UK is going to still want to buy the supplies and the UK Border Force won’t be the ones turning supplies away.
In order to have all the above you need contracts and trade agreements in place. We don't have them. If the UK doesn't have contracts and trade agreements in place, that's the UK's fault. Nobody can make them for us.

As for border controls, that's what many Leave voters voted for. They will cause delays because they take time.

Anyone using the elite narrative is an idiot btw.

Well, if every possible suggested bad consequence of Brexit is merely Remoaner Project Fear (e.g. job losses, delayed medical treatment, food shortages), then what could possibly be wrong with the suggestion that True BeLeavers step forward to experience these first?

None of these things are going to happen, right?

I mean, I truly and deeply believe that the Earth is a sphere and therefore I can't fall off the edge. So if you asked me to volunteer to be on the Edge-Falling-Off expedition, I wouldn't mind at all and wouldn't be wailing about how unfair it was that Round-Earthers were the first to be thrown over the circumference.

Didn't leave voters vote to "take back control " of our borders?

This is what you voted for.

Own it.

And even if the UK chooses to drop all tariffs, so as not to fall foul of WTO rules, and NTBs (Non Tariff Barriers - which include things like safety documentation) so that things can come in to the UK unimpeded (to the detriment of UK industry and safety standards ), that doesn't take way the need for the EU under the same WTO rules needing to inspect all goods arriving into the EU from the UK as the UK would then be a 3rd country

So that in itself would cause a major bottleneck.

It's not a case of the EU "being mean" to the UK It's the inevitable consequence of the choices that the UK (or rather, the Brexiters ) made It's the direct consequence of "trading on WTO rules"