To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

How naive of you to think that the world is not connected in every way and that exiting a huge continental grouping would not effect every part of our society

A million times this.

The consequences of this ignorance are so worrying.

It is really easy to have 20/20 hindsight. But demonising everyone who put their cross in the "Leave" box does nothing to help

Correct. If Brexit is a success then everyone gains. Likewise if it a failure everyone loses regardless of how they voted.

Get the impression that Remainers want Brexit to fail so they can say;

"Na Na Na Na Na. we told you so"

Seem to forget they will suffer too if Brexit fails?

Yep, my do works in nuclear medicine.

They do tests and therapies on people with cancer, heart problems, thyroid problems and many more.

You cannot stockpile radio isotope (because it's radioactive) it's imported from the continent. When David Cameron wanted the NHS to run 7 days a week they found that the costs of importing radio isotope were too high for it to be sustainable.

Before you can give the isotope to a patient you need to measure out the dose in a lab. This needs to be done on the day of the test. The lab at dp's hospital now provides 3-4 local hospitals with their doses as Tory cuts forced smaller departments to close their labs. After brexit all but the most essential tests are being postponed.

This is what you voted for.

You cannot stockpile radio isotope (because it's radioactive) it's imported from the continent.

Well, apparently positive thinking and BeLeaving will change the laws of physics now

Sorry, the cost of importing it on Saturday and Sunday were too high.

So why are the EU not letting UK have a free trade deal like they have recently agreed with Japan?

Missed The EU are not not letting the UK have a free trade deal. We have a free trade deal built into the WA (withdrawal agreement not a deal). During the withdrawal agreement time period, we get to sort out and negotiate a trade agreement (which will probably be fairly free trade).
What bit of this do people miss.

Oh and GFA and Brexit are mutually impossible. There will have to be compromises to both. However, it is tricky to compromise on an international peace treaty without upsetting the UN.

If people think there is a plan for this, I refer you to the Sea Freight saga. This. That is the level of competence we have to rely on for post-Brexit planning. God help us all. If this was a W1A-type sit-com it would be impossible to think up a more ludicrous scenario and yet Brexiteers are still coming on here to accuse Remainers of pessimism. I can only think that some of those on here continuing to cheer on Brexit do not actually live in the U.K. and so will not have to live with the consequences. Either that or they really do fantasise about a return to the 1950s with a concomitant roll-back of medical advancement, food availability and employment and travel opportunities.

I knew OP. I knew because when my aunt was dying of cancer she would be assessed one day and her chemo would be sent from Dublin the next day. The threats to the NHS have been widely discussed in NI.

It's not about the EU blockading us, it's very simply about inter EU and international import and export regulations and the time taken for border control.

im shocked by the poster who said all the remainers should be 1st in line to get medical help, before the leavers because thats what they have voted for.. wow. Thats a pretty inhumane thing to say. You have cancer/dying? OK - what did you vote for? Leave? Sorry - back of the line please.

But what is also shocking is the fact that leavers will not accept that this is a consequence of brexit or even that is happening at all

This is what it’s all about with remainers.
Wanting to make leavers feel guilty & sorry for the way they voted.

Any negative news that comes out the first thing they do is jump up & down pointing the finger at leavers; ‘see, this is all your fault you idiots’
This is all we’ll get now for the next 30 years.

*only by virtue of zero hours job and people on part time and temporary work.

Fundamentally untrue:

Most of the increase in employment came from a rise in full-time employment at the expense of self-employment.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/24/uk-employment-level-hits-joint-highest-since-1971

But demonising everyone who put their cross in the "Leave" box does nothing to help

Sometimes in life you have to take responsibility for what you’ve done.

It wasn’t the fucking X factor you were voting for. But a real, complex issue that effects every single person in this country in a myriad of ways.

The democratic process gave you your say. Own the consequences of your actions like a grown up.

And you'll deserve it surfer because it will be true.

I'm not saying 'nah nah nah' I'm genuinely scared.

NCforthis2019

They also want leavers sacked 1st if a company closes as a result of brexit.

I swear some of them want us tattooed with ‘I voted to leave’ so they can attack us in the streets.

We are leaving a large trade bloc where we had influence to go it alone as a minnow trying to negotiate trade deals from a weakened position with powerful countries like the USA, China & the EU bloc.

We are exposing our country to tariffs, supply chain disruption, disaster capitalists, falling tax revenue and resulting benefit cuts.

Lots of things we took for granted will be negatively affected.

And you'll deserve it surfer because it will be true

We need to bring in a law to protect us from this abuse.

I'm particularly entertained by the notion that Remainers are willing the wondrous golden Brexit to fail because of smugness or something.

Yeah, because if the predestined Sunlit Uplands so deserved by this naturally superior nation don't arrive - leaving aside the oh-so-trivial issues of job losses/food shortages/lack of vital medicines - I really want to be stuck on this island with a bunch of irate Leavers like the ones on here, who think that I personally killed their Brexit Fairies by means of my Evil Eye.

Because that will turn out so well for me

"We need to bring in a law to protect us from this abuse."

You hand out as much as you get, and are smug and goady.

HTH

It won’t be the UK stopping drugs etc entering the country, it will be the EU. Do you actually believe people who would blockade drugs from entering, effectively murdering people are the good guys?

Good grief. The EU is not blockading the medicines and other goods - the delays are as a direct result of the UK's decision to leave the EU and the UK's lack of infrastructure to cope with the consequences of leaving.

Drugs, isotopes, medical equipment etc. will be delayed because after Brexit the UK will have to check every truck and ship arriving at the ports in order to be sure that everything being carried is what it says it is. Even a delay of a few minutes per truck will result in a huge reduction of capacity - the road haulage industry estimates that the capacity at the Channel ports could be reduced to as little as 15% of current capacity. Instead of 10,000 trucks a day crossing the Channel, only 1,500 trucks will cross. This means only 15% of supplies get through, be they drugs, medical equipment, food, ingredients, pet food, car components or anything else that arrives from the EU.

"They also want leavers sacked 1st if a company closes as a result of brexit. "

Yes, leavers should own what they voted for.

The day after the vote I heard someone talking about how we might finally get a bank holiday for St George's day...I don't think medication, trade deals, food shortages were even on their radar.

Yes, I heard people saying that too. So disappointing that that type of thinking has resulted in so many bigger issues. I guess that's what happens when everyone is entitled to a vote when many do not fully understand the consequences. One of the 'we won' Facebook crowd is ironically always complaining about the NHS, it will be very interesting to see how she feels when the consequences of voting leave really start hitting.

A friend of mine works in scientific research. She actually cried when the result was announced. The impact she knew it would have and indeed now already has had on her and her colleagues work has been huge. Prices of equipment they rely on from Europe went up immediately and some research was stopped completely.

I really think just revoking Art 50 would make everyone happy.

Leavers are already playing the 'betrayal' card, Brexit is bound to impoverish the country to a greater or lesser extent and it will be anyone's fault but the people who campaigned to leave the EU without so much as a plan on the back of the envelope for how it would actually work.

If we revoke, leavers still get to play the victim and be hard done by, but we don't have to damage the economy and our international standing. Everyone's happy.

I think @missedthe boat has a Daily Mail-level grasp of the facts. Why even engage with her. This is her level: leave without a deal, save £39bn. What is the point.

“Don't believe everything the BBC say, they are remainers so it's in their interest to scaremonger.”

I am happy to believe posters like Scottishgirl85 who works in pharma, and the RL people I know who work in freight logistics of pharmaceuticals.

Sorry OP, this sort of thing was obvious and inevitable. Especially in tne hands of the non-government that was in place before and since the vote.

Whatever people believe ideologically about Leave it Remain, the practical application of Leave and what the austerity focussed Cameron tories, the jumble sale that is (and was then) the Labour Party and the venal self-promoting vultures in waiting in the Tory party were NEVER going to deliver any version of Leave that voters thought they were voting for.