To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

21 days left. Wonder what happens on 12 March? May will have to do something spectacular to overturn the 230 vote defeat when her deal was last put to MPs.

The border in Ireland is the stumbling block. Get over that and Mays deal might go through? That seems to be an EU redline as opppsed to a UK redline.

Was in Switzerland a while back and there did not seem to be a hard border with France. On the way to Mont Blanc the coach drove straight through. Not even stopped to look at passports.

An extension to Article 50 would be my bet after 12 March. One of many extensions to follow. All part of the stalling process.

Businesses both in EU and UK must be going nuts as they don’t know what to plan for.

crosstalk

They warn us, it was all shouted down as project fear. What shocks me is that even now, warning about business, health, food supply, peace in NI, transport etc, are STILL being dismissed as lies and fear mongering.

or maybe a midnight blue, with speckles like stars

Definitely one that would be popular

Brexit planning is the bane of my life. It's annoying. Increased red tape. Complete waste of time with companies performing increasingly complex moves to try to keep at least some business here.

winkywonky Wales voted to leave too 52.5%, Scotland was 38% of Scotland, 44% of Northern Ireland, and 53.5% for England. I voted remain and get fed up of some posters making out it's all the fault of the English when there were plenty of leave votes in the rest of the UK. I don't think I've heard Wales mentioned at all yet their percentage was only 1% less than England's. It would be easy to think from threads that no one in Scotland or Northern Ireland voted leave.

This is the biggest clusterfuck of our time and the leavers and government should take responsibility, rather than the blame be laid at the feet of England.

This has divided us enough, let's not let it divide us more by misrepresenting the stats.

When we leave the EU you can produce evidence that cancer patients are being neglected and going untreated. Until that happens we ought to concentrate on what is happening now and not what might be.

What's happening now is that radiologists are not booking as many cancer/suspected cancer patients in for consultation and treatment as they could, because they've been told to reduce their workload for the days after 29th March.

And that's shit. And it's caused by Brexit.

To Wonky

UK has four member states. In terms of population Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland make up 15%. The remaining 85% is England.

So if there is a national vote the odds are that the English opinion will prevail based on population. That’s the disadvantage of joining up with a Cointry whose population is massively larger than your own.

If Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales don’t like being pulled along by England the solution is simple, leave.

Scotland had a referendum in 2014 and chose to remain in UK. So they must have thought there was some benefits. If they don’t like the EU referendum result the solution is again simple. Leave the UK and take a gamble on whether or not EU will allow Scotland to rejoin.

Your right, my bad. Wales fucked us over too. And we fucked ourselves over when we voted against our own independence! P.s that’s the kick in the fucking teeth. Being told the only way to REMAIN in the EU was to vote AGAINST independence!! Sorry for feeling like we have been fucked over twice by Westmonster.

Missed the boat

Fingers crossed for another referendum, That’s the hope! 45% of us last time and growing by the day with the shitstorm that is Brexit.

@MissedTheBoatAgain - you still haven't answered my question: Do you think it is acceptable for the UK to break an international peace agreement in order to deliver a no deal Brexit?

Sparklysneakers - you'll not be surprised to be told that the Government has the same "cake and eat it" attitude towards democracy, self determination and Scottish independence as it has towards the EU and NI

viz today: Cox said unless the backstop could be shown to be a temporary arrangement, it risked breaching protocol 1, article 3 of the convention, which protects the rights of people to vote in order to choose their legislature. (From the Guardian)

This would be on the same day that Hunt told an audience in Glasgow that Westminster wouldn't allow a 2nd Indyref

Indyref2: Jeremy Hunt says UK government will refuse permission
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47484518

You have forgotten that both conservative and labour parties agreed to honour the referendum in their manifestos

I haven't. God knows, Theresa May was banging on about it long and loud enough in parliament last week. What she - and you - seem to have forgotten is that on the basis of that manifesto neither party won a majority. Assuming that the 2016 referendum isn't the only exercise of democracy that counts anymore, that tells you something about the direction of travel in one short but rather incompetent year from June 2016 to June 2017 - and from the vantage point of the present day, it's looking like that was the good year. The tide's turning, Leavers. Deal with it.

@MissedTheBoatAgain - If Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales don’t like being pulled along by England the solution is simple, leave

You're showing your ignorance of history again. Have you any idea how the statelet of Northern Ireland came into being?

Yes
The horse has bolted
Before people are allowed to vote they need to actually realise what they are voting on...

Now if MIssedTheBoatAgain were to answer my question, it might help their geography. I wouldn't mind an answer to the other question of when they are moving to the UK.

The way things are going, partly due to demographics, NI might unite with the Republic/reunite with the rest of Ireland. Before anyone says, ah but they won't have the NHS - the way the Tories are hell bent on smashing it, they won't need to worry, that will have gone anyway.

Once NI goes, Scotland wouldn't be far behind.

"It was a democratic decision and if we start changing those we cease to be a democratic society."

Not sure you really understand how democracy works.

Aside from the fact that democracy works as a fluid, Progressive entity, there's also the fact that the referendum was very likely illegally operated and could be re-run on that basis alone.

"Isn't it amazing how people believe everything without question?" Yes it is isn't it? Believing signs on buses, empty promises of extra funding for farmers and emergency services, promises of a miracle land of milk & honey being created out of thin air...

"There hasn't been a whole lot of respect for democracy demonstrated by May and her government over the past couple of years" totally agree!

"I want a tartan passport with a Saltire and unicorn on the front" me too - maybe when Scotland goes independant on the back of a no deal brexit?

"Was in Switzerland a while back and there did not seem to be a hard border with France." Oh dear still not learned your lesson on checking things first have you? That would have been because of a little thing called the Schengen Agreement.

"Wales voted to leave too 52.5%" I found that so odd. So much of Wales receives eu funding. Real shooting oneself in the foot decision!

62% of Scotland voted remain, not all by any means but a majority none the less.

There was a lady on question time, audience member didn't catch what she was, possibly a dr, saying that the govt basically left it till last min to tell them that they are now needing to make arrangements and changes in practice to DX and treating cancer patients. This didn't seem to be refuted, I don't think the Tory mp (Dominic raab) was even asked to comment on this (happy to be corrected, I was distracted at this point of the programme).

"UK has four member states. In terms of population Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland make up 15%. The remaining 85% is England.

So if there is a national vote the odds are that the English opinion will prevail based on population" one point we do agree on

However

"That’s the disadvantage of joining up with a Cointry whose population is massively larger than your own"

Think you'll find Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland had sod all choice in the matter (yes even though a scots King was instrumental in dragging Scotland in having taken his 30 pieces of silver and used it to resolve his mummy issues!)

Prettybird I'm surprised he got out in one piece (actually I'm surprised he got IN in one piece! He's quite despised in glasgow.

Peregrina personally I can see it being Northern Ireland goes totally independent (not part of uk or Republic of Ireland), Scotland follows, Wales stays with England. Just my opinion.

Now if MIssedTheBoatAgain were to answer my question, it might help their geography. I wouldn't mind an answer to the other question of when they are moving to the UK

If No Deal is better than a Bad Deal as previously stated by May then so be it. I don't remember EU objecting to no hard border in Ireland in 1998 so why is it one of their redlines now? Answer of course is that it is just another way of thwarting UK's departure and protecting the 50 Million per day UK pays into EU.

Don't plan to return to the UK. However, as I British Citizen and pay my own National Insurance I would go to UK for healthcare.

Before people are allowed to vote they need to actually realise what they are voting on

Impossible as Votes are anonymous. Plus who is to decide whether or not they understand? The Victorian days of only the wealthy educated people being allowed to vote are long gone.

That would have been because of a little thing called the Schengen Agreement

So how come passports were not checked. My wife at the time had Visa for Switzerland, but not for France, but she still entered France without being noticed.

Think you'll find Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland had sod all choice in the matter

What prevents Northern Ireland and Wales having a referendum like Scotland in 2014?

You're showing your ignorance of history again. Have you any idea how the statelet of Northern Ireland came into being?

What prevents Northern Ireland having a referendum like Scotland in 2014?

basically left it till last min to tell them that they are now needing to make arrangements and changes in practice to DX and treating cancer patients

This is my point. Shortages of essential healthcare are due to poor planning since the 2016 referendum as opposed to the result of the referendum.

Too easy to blame everything on Brexit

The tide's turning, Leavers. Deal with it

Not convinced as the number of people turning 18 in UK has reduced since 2009 and will reach its lowest by 2020 before it increases again. The over 65's represent over 20% of the UK population. So if they turn out en mass they will swamp those who have turned 18 since the 2016 referendum.

Can't see many of those who voted Leave changing their vote for the following reasons:

That MEP's in Brussels are not elected has not changed

That immigration is uncontrolled has not changed.

The Brexiters are not aware of the consequences before they voted Brexit

Yes they were. Remain campaign spent 9 Million of the UK Taxpayers money sending information booklets to every household in the UK.