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To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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cantbearsed1 · 06/03/2019 07:49

Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

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Littlespaces · 07/03/2019 10:53

The evidence is all around you. Companies are relocating and money / investment is moving out of the UK already.

Businesses have been sounding the alarm for months now.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 10:56

For information I am British citizen, but I did not vote at all as I do not live and work in UK or EU. However. A majority should always take priority of the minority regardless of how small the difference between the two.

People neither voted for a Deal or a No Deal as that was not on the ballot paper. It was a simple IN or OUT choice.

Once the Vote has been made it is then government responsibility to implement the Vote.

JacquesHammer · 07/03/2019 10:59

Once the Vote has been made it is then government responsibility to implement the Vote

Except it was an advisory referendum. It wasn’t binding, it was an opinion poll.

The government’s responsibility is to act in the best interests of the country.

Peregrina · 07/03/2019 11:00

I am the one who said I hope your family don't get cancer, having lost two grandparents to it, one of whom had a particularly unpleasant death. I genuinely do mean that I don't wish it on anyone, so don't try to twist my words to suit your Leaver narrative.

But obviously the Royal College of Radiologist couldn't possibly know what they were talking about. They only treat people with cancer after all.

IceRebel · 07/03/2019 11:01

You have not given one shred of evidence that any of the crap you spout is the truth or fact based. Its all what ifs and maybes and perhaps and this mights.

Quite aside from the fact this information is coming from the very people who will be dealing with the fallouts, i.e radiologists and the NHS. I'm wondering what it would take for you to actually believe such statements are facts. Do you need to see people dying or dead, before you agree their concerns were accurate?

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:03

Brexit became binding as soon as Article 50 was triggered.

Governments are obligated to implement the result of a Vote regardless of their own personal opinion and whether or not some who don’t like the result

Peregrina · 07/03/2019 11:04

A majority should always take priority of the minority regardless of how small the difference between the two.

That must be news to the many countries which don't operate First past the post electoral systems.

So when will you be returning to the UK MissedTheBoatAgain since it looks as though we will Leave? You will be able to get stuck in building this wonderful society outside the UK.

JacquesHammer · 07/03/2019 11:05

Brexit became binding as soon as Article 50 was triggered

No so. Article 50 can be revoked.

Governments are obligated to implement the result of a Vote regardless of their own personal opinion and whether or not some who don’t like the result

And again not so. The referendum was NOT legally binding. The government isn’t obliged to act on it.

Xenia · 07/03/2019 11:07

Most people accept we voted to leave in what was a very big turn out. Hoqwever the form of leave was not on the voting paper so leaving with the perfectly sensible draft withdrawal agreement is the best of a bad job.

If we do nothing we leave later this month - that is the default - crash out.

However it is a very complicated system and who know what is going happen. I remember the referendum when we voted to remain in the EU too. The fewer referenda the better as they lead to this kind of mess.

StormTreader · 07/03/2019 11:09

"A majority should always take priority of the minority regardless of how small the difference between the two. "

Really? Prisoners should be in charge of the prisons then, should they? They greatly outnumber the guards, after all.

FishesaPlenty · 07/03/2019 11:12

Brexit became binding as soon as Article 50 was triggered.

You're wrong.

Governments are obligated to implement the result of a Vote regardless of their own personal opinion and whether or not some who don’t like the result

You're wrong again.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:12

Both grandfather and aunt died from cancer. My mother used to be cancer care specialist.

Shortage of healthcare essentials is due to planning by government since June 2016. They knew UK had voted to leave, but other than agree the Divorce bill not a lot else is visible.

NHS has been crumbling for decades according to my parents who both worked for NHS. However, UK can somehow afford to borrow money to give away in foreign aid? How does that represent acting in best interests of the UK?

Not advocating that foreign aid should be scrapped, but can it not be reduced a little to provide more funds for NHS?

Littlespaces · 07/03/2019 11:13

A majority should always take priority of the minority regardless of how small the difference between the two.

Even if the majority will suffer?

There are half way proposals that could go some way to mitigate the madness. Staying in the Customs Union is one such proposal.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:14

Prisoners are not allowed to Vote so a bad comparison

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:17

If the Majority suffer as a result of their own vote that was their choice. Can someone in this thread tell me why people are not allowed to vote how they want, but must comply with someone else’s opinion?

Peregrina · 07/03/2019 11:21

Why should Foreign Aid be scrapped or reduced? May can find money for bungs when necessary. How about scrapping them to provide for the NHS?

Littlespaces · 07/03/2019 11:21

Trouble is that the referendum was -

  1. Run on lies.
  2. Illegally funded with dodgy money.
  3. Some of those people might want to re-think now that they know about the shit storm awaiting them.
  4. Plenty of young people have not had a say.
  5. 48% of the population is too massive a chunk to ignore. It will get bigger as the young voters come through.
JacquesHammer · 07/03/2019 11:21

Can someone in this thread tell me why people are not allowed to vote how they want, but must comply with someone else’s opinion?

Nobody has actually said that.

ContinuityError · 07/03/2019 11:24

Not advocating that foreign aid should be scrapped, but can it not be reduced a little to provide more funds for NHS?

You mean renege on our UN commitments as well as an international peace treaty?

MardyMavis · 07/03/2019 11:25

But also the nhs etc is in the position it's in because of the eu and overcrowding so you can't win.

DogInATent · 07/03/2019 11:27

A majority should always take priority of the minority regardless of how small the difference between the two.

The tyranny of the majority. It's just about acceptable for general elections as it's not a once-and-forever decision, a renewal of mandate is sought to a schedule under the Fixed Term Parliament Act. But our first-past-the-post duopoly is one of the most backwards democratic systems in the Western World. It's anti-compromise.

The problem here is that the option presented was Remain/Leave binary choice. But neither option was that clear-cut. Just look at the Leave campaign's pre-referendum statements and campaign materials, they were very clearly in favour of remaining in the Customs Union and for negotiating the post-Brexit relationship with the EU before triggering the actual leave date.

An equivocal referendum result (see Farage's statement on 52:48 made before the result was announced) was not a clear mandate for a hard Brexit and leaving every European institution, agreement, and treaty. Theresa May has interpreted it as such in part to hold her party together, but mostly because she's always had issues with immigration and was frustrated in the Home Office by human rights legislation.

The marginal result of the referendum was just about justification for a Norway-plus option, something that would have made both sides of the argument equally unhappy but without the dramatic dummy-spit shocks to the economy.

If it had been the same marginal result but the other way, it would have been a good mandate for seeking reforms to the EU from within. And would probably have support from many of the southern EU members and popular support from the electorates of France and Germany too.

I'm not entirely sure what the post-Brexit arguments will mean for the UK. But I suspect that no matter what happens in the next few weeks the UK electoral system has taken a massive loss of trust. It's broken and needs to be fixed.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:28

Nobody has actually said that

Not directly, but many indirect comments about those who voted leave being stupid.

All simply for me. If there is a difference of opinion then the opinion expressed by the greatest number of voters prevails every time. If the decision to leave or remain was the result of a single vote it is still binding

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:34

To Little spaces

Those who voted remain could argue the same in that they were told by remain campaign that UK would disappear even just by voting leave

Littlespaces · 07/03/2019 11:36

The list of warnings in the Remain campaign are coming true.

Wake up!

MissedTheBoatAgain · 07/03/2019 11:40

To littlespaces

Which warnings? Can you provide examples?

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