To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

Is today's latest trope that it's the fault of the Scots that radioisotopes have a half-life?

Well they did mostly vote remain. If they’d just believed a bit more then we could have got rid of half lives altogether.

Is today's latest trope that it's the fault of the Scots that radioisotopes have a half-life?

Fault lies with UK Government for;

Allowing a remainer to head the task of taking UK out of EU

MP's who voted remain thinking they can ignore a vote because they don't like the result

Not realizing that No Deal was the only way to leave and wasting time on pointless negotiations

I am sure there will be sad cases of people suffering, but that is due to the way Brexit has been mismanaged since the 2016 referendum as opposed to the result of the referendum.

I am sure there will be sad cases of people suffering, but that is due to the way Brexit has been mismanaged since the 2016 referendum as opposed to the result of the referendum.

Ohhhhh, I see. It's the fault of Remainers that radioisotopes have a half-life

Ohhhhh, I see. It's the fault of Remainers that radioisotopes have a half-life

Nobody's fault that radioisotopes have a half life. Fault lies with UK Government not accepting that Leave meant out of EU completely. If EU and UK wish to trade with each other afterwards that would be subject to negotiation between EU an d UK.

As soon as the Vote to Leave was known UK government should have made arrangements for essentials such as; Food, Healthcare, etc., but did not. Instead they have spent over 2 years talking about how much the Divorce Bill should be, transition periods and now back stops.

Only progress that UK has made that I can see is reducing the Divorce bill from the early figure of 90 Billion to 39 Billion. Other than that there seems to be very little to show for over two years of back and forth.

missedtheboat has missed a few more things too like a decent argument instead of racist comments.

So, to be clear, we've moved on from the beginning of the thread where "any effects on cancer treatments, food availability and so on are Project Feeeeeaaaarrrrr scaremongering lies!".

And now we're on to "it's all the fault of [insert PunishmentBullyingBogeyman, but definitely not any actual Leavers] that there are inadequate arrangements in place for cancer treatments, food availability and so on!"

I suppose this is progress of a sort.

Project Feeeeeaaaarrrrr scaremongering lies

MP's who voted remain are the biggest culprits in that department and that is only of the reasons little progress has been made. Simple logic in my view. MP's, regardless of how they voted, should have asked themselves;

"Now the decision to leave EU has been made what plans and arrangements do we need to make to ensure basics such as; food, utilities, healthcare, etc., are not disrupted after the UK leaves the EU?"

Never happened.

Oh ffs at it bring scaremongering. Do you just walk out into a road without looking because car accidents are scaremongering? Ffs open your eyes

As I said to my leave voting retired sister, this will go on for decades. The rest of my working life and retirement will be affected by this shit show.

Those that can will emigrate. I'm just that bit too old. Expect my kids will go.

And what pisses me off the most is the distinct lack of thinking that goes into anything nowadays.

car accidents are scaremongering

Car accidents are factual events that have already happened.

Scaremongering is someone who spreads frightening or ominous reports or rumours based on what they think might happen in the future.

And what pisses me off the most is the distinct lack of thinking that goes into anything nowadays

Remain campaign spent 9 Million on sending leaflets to every household in the UK that listed the risks of leaving the UK. On the assumption that people read them then its not correct to say that people did not know what they were voting for.

Short version: forget the poats upthread about bad stuff being scaremongering lies, and now agree that bad stuff is going to happen... but it’s the fault of [scapegoats].

Leavers read (or looked at the Facebook memes) Bank’s £8 million hogwash instead and fell for it.

Where does one start with MissedTheBoatAgain's stuff?

Much has already been said which says it as well as anyone.
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What United Kingdom though? A riddle for you MTBA, is what way does the UK I was born into differ from the one my father was born into? A clue - looking at a map of England won't give you the right answer.

Fault lies with UK Government for;

Allowing a remainer to head the task of taking UK out of EU

NO. Fault lies with the Tory party for Cameron running away when he'd promised to implement the result, although he never promised how. Fault then lies with the Tory party for the choice of prominent Leaver put up - but this wasn't entirely their fault, because the obvious other old Etonian, Boris Johnson also ran away. So they were stuck with Gove, who didn't get enough votes and by his own admission, wasn't PM material. And Leasdom, remember her? Who stuck her big foot in it going on about Theresa May having no children, and was forced to withdraw. So then May appointed Davis - a Brexiter, who barely bothered to attend EU meetings, went without any papers, and left early. Then there are those other fine examples Rees-Mogg who never accepts Office in Government, but has made sure he's moved his business funds to Dublin. Deadwood Redwood, something of a has been now, who advises not investing in the UK but in France and Germany. All people of the 'easiest deals in history', 'all settled in an afternoon','they need us more than we need them'.

You voted Leave so none of this '"it's going to be difficult, it's everyone else's fault." You wanted it, it was up to you and fellow Leavers to say what you wanted - get writing to your MP, start telling them what it is you want. Oh and BTW - do learn a bit of basic Geography and History. Your ignorance makes Leavers look a bit thick.

{Fault lies with UK Government not accepting that Leave meant out of EU completely.}
But Mrs May was not wanting to take the UK out of CU/SM until the ERG rattled her cage.
Staying in CU/SM to maintain a 'close working relationship' would solve the Belfast Agreement issue and with some wrangling the companies that use JiT deliveries and the London financial services would have stayed.

They are now on the way out and it is time the Brexiteers started to think of ways to replace those jobs that are already lost, and the couple of million that are likely to be lost at an accelerating pace in 3 weeks time.
Unless you are being paid as a troll or whatever to spout 'leave' bollocks your job and livelihood is at risk.

@MissedTheBoatAgain - Fault lies with UK Government not accepting that Leave meant out of EU completely. If EU and UK wish to trade with each other afterwards that would be subject to negotiation between EU an d UK.

Except for the minor little detail of the GFA which means that, unless you are willing to rip up an international peace agreement, leave cannot mean out of the EU completely until some method exists of ensuring there is no hard British border on the island of Ireland.

Fault lies with UK Government not accepting that Leave meant out of EU completely

Why would they ‘accept’ that though? Who the fuck knows what version of leave leavers votes for?

Pretty well noone voted for a no deal brexit, no matter what they want to tell you now after the fact.

Maybe, but how is not discrimination to offer free University in Scotland to a Student from Eastern Europe, but at same time charge a Student from; England, Nothern Ireland and Wales?

It's the rules. You have to offer the same deal to EU students that you do to home nation students.

It's the same in the EU too, UK students can get very good degrees at very low or zero tuition cost (and taught in English) at universities in the Netherands, Germany, etc.

The reason English students have to pay fees is because the UK Government won't reciprocate the fee deal that the Scottish Government have put in place.

The EU is not responsible for English students being charged fees for university, it's the consequence of elected UK Government policy

As usual, Leave has been blaming the EU but all of these inequalities of opportunity in the UK are firmly at the foot of the UK Government. Leave gets way with this because it knows their average supporter isn't that clued up, and is inherently biased towards believing any misleading statement that reinforces their prejudices.

As soon as the Vote to Leave was known UK government should have made arrangements for essentials such as; Food, Healthcare, etc., but did not. Instead they have spent over 2 years talking about how much the Divorce Bill should be, transition periods and now back stops.

I'm not sure you understand the words you use.

Divorce bill - the UK has made commitments to EU projects that operate over long periods of time. It was important to sort out who owed what to whom so that the UK wasn't seen as a cut-and-run cheeky f**ker that couldn't be trusted to hold up their end of the deal.

Transition period - this was always an important part of the Leave proposition so that there would be no sudden overnight shocks to trade and the movement of essentials. This is the bit you say was important and they should have dealt with first, then imply was a waste of time. Make your mind up.

Backstop - the Northern Ireland border situation has serious long-term legal consequences. The EU have been taking their legal position as guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement seriously. the delay here has been entirely down to May's Red Lines and the position of the ERG and hard-line Brexiters.

Leave voters could still choose to climb down for the sake of their own children, grandchildren, relatives, employment, manufacturing, the disabled, cost of living, Ireland, food security and the NHS.

The fact that they are choosing not to says it all. I wouldn't be comfortable carrying that guilt into the future.

I completely understand making a mistake and falling for the con men at the beginning, but not acting now will make you culpable.

Leave voters could still choose to climb down for the sake of their own children, grandchildren, relatives, employment, manufacturing, the disabled, cost of living, Ireland, food security and the NHS.

It’s obvious now that most of them won’t.

I’m sure there’ll be an explanation for this in behavioural economic thinking. It’s a bit like the sunk cost fallacy or something, I’ve invested so much emotional energy in Leave, I can’t contemplate backtracking. Or I simply cannot admit I was wrong.

Which is why I’m wary of a second referendum.

The whole thing is a monumental mess. What I really want is David Cameron made to take some responsibility for one of the most god awful fuck ups in this country’s history.

The fault lies with leavers who voted for their own individual versions of what leave would look like.

In fact this was a stragey of the leave campaign, don't say what the plans are because it divides the groups.

Now the leave vote can't decide what it wants because it was really a broad church of grievances brought together for one vote under the belt of the leave campaign.

Which of course is why it will be everyone else's fault but theirs, however, if you failed to notice that the leave campaign was full of inconsistencies and made assurances to different interest groups with opposing objectives, then that is your fault.

The ERG section of the Leave vote knows exactly what it wants. They will be quite happy to destroy the country as long as they make money.

I wish Theresa May had the guts to call their bluff - they didn't get the numbers to depose her, that was the time she should have moved in.