To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

Who's first in line to inject unchecked, uncertified substances into their bloodstream then?

I'm aware of a case of drugs (legal) that were sent from a certain not EU country to a friend's lab that did not contain the drug. If they do this to labs who will check what they're using, imagine to patients...

MissedTheBoatAgain - why would you believe that the Royal Society of Radiologists are part of Project Fear?

Things were explained to the public

Yes.
People listened to who they wanted to hear.

If we leave the EU without a deal we will be treated exactly the same as any other country without some sort of a deal. ie Libia, Venezuela, Mongolia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Yemen .

We are the ones choosing no deal. Our government owns this. The EU offered a transition.

bejam You don't understand the WTO and how its rules operate:

It doesn't spring into action as soon as a country or bloc breaks the rules:
it really only takes action if a WTO member, e.g. the US or India or China,
complains its goods are not being treated as favourably by say the EU as goods from the UK

imo we could probably get a special temporary waiver for NI,
because of the Troubles - almost every country would be sympathetic - and because it is a tiny, tiny % of the EU economy.

However, that doesn't apply to the rest of the UK / EU goods border.
If the EU just waived through all goods from the UK, the next day the US, India, China and many of the other WTO 164 members would be complaining.

The EU has to keep the same rules for the UK, or let everyone else in.
The WTO won't put up borders itself, but it can order the EU - if it waves through UK goods - to let in goods from all the other WTO members

That would destroy the EU's Single Market
The EU won't do that just to help us

Similarly, if the UK waves through goods mfrom the EU, it would have to wave through goods from everywhere else
Remember the hundreds of dead & seriously ill babies in China hit by contaminated formula ?
Red tape checks: All those goods with dodgy electrics, toys with lead paint or sharp little components ,,,,,,

The Brexiters' economist Prof Minford himself says the UK mass manufacturing and farming industries would be destroyed,
but that these should be replaced by service industry jobs

Even in the simplistic newspaper article you keep posting:

"it is up to London and Brussels to protect their own markets in no deal Brexit scenario"^

"The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint.

One expert warned that it would fall either to the UK or EU - not the WTO -
to set up border checks in order to protect the integrity of their internal markets from illegal activity and divergent trade rules."

Any organisation which would stand back and say ‘rules’ while watching people die is not a good organisation.

The UK (and every other country) is doing exactly that, right now. All over the world people die from preventable or treatable diseases. And we don't intervene. Because we all must abide by international law and recognise borders.

What is shocking to people here has been going on in other countries forever. It is simply what happens when you are on the outside of a huge trading bloc rather than the inside. This is what the Brexiteers wanted. Blaming the EU is irrational. We (as a country) chose this.

Bejam just googled that article and didn't read it.

The problems with medications will only occur if the UK doesn't enforce its own border restrictions.

Which it has already said it would.

(The whole bloody point is that the EU would prefer to kill people rather than waive a rule or expedite essentials.}

The EU are relatively happy to loose taxes that would be due for goods crossing from NI into Ireland if it means it eliminates the need for a hard border, because they understand the serious risk to life by messing with the Belfast agreement.
The fact that with 23 days to go before the UK has to decide whether it is really leaving, or in fact any decision makes the UK government the true criminals.

What you’re saying is that you approve of a plan which would kill thousands of people.
Nope. I voted against such a shit show Bejam, you voted for it.

Remainers absolutely loathe the working classes
Wrong again Bejam. I am working class, or at least I was but my job disappeared when I was on maternity because of funding concerns. EU money you see. So now I'm on benefits and living in one of the most deprived areas in my region.

The EU will not break rulews that would destroy its Sibgle Market

The WTO won't force it to put up hard borders in Calais etc, but the minute another WTO member compiains tht its goods are not being treated as fairly as UK goods,
then the EU eill either have to revert to goods controls or through open its borders to the world

The WTO doesn't care if a border is hard or soft, just that it is the same for all countries that do not have trade deals with each other

Would you cripple yourself financially by breaking the rules
just to help your daft neighbour who made his own choices

Are leavers going to be in Calais enforcing a hard border and insisting that the picture on a fag packet is checked?
No, they'll be in the UK checking all the incoming freight and foreigners and taking control of our borders. That is what they voted for after all.

I bet cancer patients are really keen to have unchecked, uncertified substances injected into their bodies just for Leavers' political gain.

What does the mean element ?

how the UK could avoid logjammed ports

Control all goods vehicles leaving the UK:

Any empty vehicles can go to the Channel ports, with priority given to those collecting essential meds and food

Any vehicle with export goods has to wait until there is a place free on the EU Customs side.

Unfortunately, Failing Grayling would have to organise that😰

Not to mention that long term it would hammer our balance of trade
However, we could do that for several months until we negotiate something better

Definitely not shocking - Brexit will affect many things, this was an obvious one along with Pharma and loss of all the EU regulations that protect us medically. I wish people had thought it through or at least asked for advice before they voted! I know soany people that would have voted differently if they had been more knowledgeable about it all.

{Any organisation which would stand back and say ‘rules’ while watching people die is not a good organisation.}

Let us consider the 'British entrepreneurs' who who the use of slavery built Liverpool and other cities over the years. Slaves who were beaten or starved to death, and tortured as an example or for the entertainment of the slave owners.
And as bad as that was, the British government compensated the slave OWNERS when the anti slavery laws took effect.

@SalliSunbeem Ignorance is clearly bliss. Enjoy

Posters like bejam perfectly illustrate why this is such an epic mess.

They never actually wanted to leave the EU entirely, they just wanted to opt out of the bits they don’t like whilst retaining all the benefits.

The fact they only now see Leaving does indeed have negative consequences is astounding.

Even more infuriating, but sadly has become common place, is the assertion that we should just get what we want because we are special.

What part of ‘the rules which apply to us would have to apply to every other WTO country’ dont you understand?

If the EU just waived through all goods from the UK

Surely the problem for medicine is not goods from the UK, it's the UK letting in goods.

Exactly Lwej, the delays are caused by the UK maintaining its border.

Taking back control if you like.

Lweji It is goods from the UK likel to cause logjammed ports, because the French etc won't be able to cope.

Same of course if th UK also applies checks on EU imports.

Noone has enough infrastructure, customs people, phytosanitary inspectors etc

Why the hell wouldn't any country NOT take advantage of our weakened state to negotiate terms unfavourable to the UK?

We go, deliberately, from being a member of the strongest trading bloc in the world, to one country that relies massively on the 'service' industries. Every other country in the world will, rightfully see us as easy meat.

It's utter unlawful bonkers and we are days away from this reality, delivered by our very own PM.

Same of course if th UK also applies checks on EU imports.

Wasn't that what Leavers voted for?

Also, most drugs could be shipped by plane, surely. Or via fast track means.
I'd be more concerned about all the paperwork required.