To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

I think that Bejam must be arguing that the EU drops all of its borders to the rest of the world for us.

No, just for the UK. Because hard borders are a nuisance. Oh, wait...

You think the Single Market is worth killing people for?

The single market is only relevant in that it happens within the defined borders of the EU. And of course the EU has absolutely every right to protect it's borders. The right to protect borders is EXACTLY what many people have killed and died for in the past.

Scene Two: Clinic in Sunlit Brexit Britain, summer 2019.

Random salesperson: "I have these vials of radioactive reagents and chemotherapeutic drugs imported from foreign lands. No valid chain-of-custody certifications, import checks, insurance or other paperwork. Nasty bureaucratic nonsense, y'know."

Doctor: "Great, just the ticket - who cares if there's no paperwork to confirm quality, purity or correct storage conditions!"

Patient: "Awesome, just go right ahead and inject that stuff into my veins! This is so much better than being held hostage!"

Bejam appears to be arguing that the EU dismantle itself completely, for the sake of the UK .

No border checks = No Single Market = no checks on anything coming from anywhere into the EU.

Just because the UK can't get its fucking act together. The ERG and the disaster capitalists must be delighted

Patrick Minford, the only economist that supports the ERG's vision has indeed argued in favour of taking down all tariffs, and blithely admits that it would destroy UK manufacturing and farming but that that would be an acceptable price

The right to protect borders is EXACTLY what many people have killed and died for in the past.

The right to protect borders is what Brexiters voted for. Except, that apparently, it doesn't suit them after all.

All this fighting is awful and very sad. The areas in the country who voted for Brexit were the poorer ones. There are whole swathes of the country who feel utterly abandoned by the Tory govt and by the authorities. They voted leave out of desperation and a misguided sense of trying to force some social change which might actually benefit them. Of course it's an utter fuck up, but the people whom some would force to the back of the queue for cancer treatment are the poor.

The wealthier areas of the country have no idea of the conditions in which the poorer areas are living under. This country is terribly divided and Brexit is the result.

Why are you shocked OP, as a type 1diabetic my insulin is in jeopardy as well so I'm rather pissed off with leavers and not shocked

“You think a single market is worth killing people for”

The EU is not killing sick British people by not supplying them with treatment anymore than it is killing people in other countries outside the EU by not feeding them, treating their illnesses and preventing their wars.

It is the job of the British government to provide medical treatment for British citizens. If it is too busy arguing over backstops to do that it is not the EUs place to force them to treat their own citizens better.

Why are you shocked? This was flagged up as a risk before the referendum. People voted for it.

*Peregrina

You honestly believe the UK would sit back and watch people dying....

Given that they already do because of austerity, then yes. They, The Govt will try to pass the buck once again.*

Agreed.

People keep saying that we have the 5th biggest gdp in the world. What is the point of a high GDP if 99% of the population isn't seeing the profits.

Working people are relying on food banks now, public services are stretched to breaking point now. Food prices are high now, do you really think making everything more expensive (even if you think it's for the short term) will actually improve the lives of people in this country?

As a pp pointed out the eu is cracking down on tax evasion and money laundering, which is huge problem in the UK right now.

Not to mention 'cutting red-tape and being business friendly' means decimating workers rights and doing nothing about tax evasion. Basically turning working people into serfs of the super rich. Look at the USA, is that how you want your country to be run?

One of my dad's best friends has been recently diagnosed with lung cancer. He was told a the hospital that they would not perform radiology (I think that's right?) on him, because he was in an older age catagory and they were saving their isotopes for younger patients. He is not receiving the treatment he needs RIGHT NOW because of Brexit....but yeah, project fear

In the 1970s and 1980s the government declared an emergency in the supply of blood and didn't bother to ask too many questions about where it had come from. That worked out well: haemophilia.org.uk/support/day-day-living/patient-support/contaminated-blood/history-contaminated-blood/

The whole bloody point is that the EU would prefer to kill people rather than waive a rule or expedite essentials.

It’s fucking evil. Stalin was following the Soviet laws when he blockaded West Berlin. Maduro has used his country’s legislature to stop aid entering. China has rules which lead to force abortions and baby girls being left to die. At risk of Godwinism, the Nazis had a hella lot of rules.

Not all rules are moral or good. Following rules does not make you a good person or morally correct.

Any organisation which would stand back and say ‘rules’ while watching people die is not a good organisation.

And half the people on here are probably the same people who are ‘Whaaaa! Orange man bad’ about the border wall in the US and would absolutely wet their pants if the UK or USA ever stopped people getting essential medicine to a 3rd World Country. But the EU does it and they get a round of applause for thinking the Single Market is more important than human lives.

Oh, the other thing: they are picking which of their own bloody rules they want to follow. Their own bloody Human Right’s Act says deliberately stopping someone accessing life saving treatment is an abusive of human rights.

But yeah, boo. Orange man bad. Boo Tories. Yay EU. 🙄

No-one tell Bejam that the EU made us PAY for these life-saving drugs we've been getting as well - the awful heartless foreign pig-dogs!

I'm currently imagining EU drones flying over our proud shiny new customs checkpoints that are what we've insisted we wanted by voting Leave, dropping parachute care packages of insulin into mobs of desperate diabetics crowding the streets of this weeks Designated Medical Drop Zone.

To Impatience

Both my mother (spine operation) and my uncle (brain operation) were told the same when I was still at university, 30 years ago, younger persons take priority. Think you will find that has been policy long before Brexit was mentioned.

So it’s definitely project fear

TheJammyDodger What I don't understand is why people are saying that imports into the UK will be held up. Any level of inspection will be down to the UK government - that is the point of leaving the EU. Why would the British government slow up imports and create problems for its voters? Nothing will change in the standards of EU produced goods, so if they can be waved through on 28 March, they can be waved through on 30 March.

It's not particularly checks on goods that are the issue - there will be very few loads requiring any extra physical checks (except for animals and foodstuffs which is another issue), it's literally the few minutes it takes for each lorry driver to present himself at customs and then wait while they check that all the required documentation is complete. This has to be done before entering the port of departure and again before leaving the port of arrival. Even if the time spent at customs is only an extra 2 minutes per vehicle it's expected to cause severe queues.

No one said the working class shouldn't be allowed to participate in the democratic process, that's your own straw man.

The EU will not be enforcing UK border controls , the UK will.

'I'm getting exactly what I voted for. It's an outrage!'

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bejam

How do I politely say this...

That's rubbish. This is of our own making.

Who's first in line to inject unchecked, uncertified substances into their bloodstream then?

Bejam is quite obviously deluded and doesn't understand that this is what taking back control meant

But hey go ahead with the blame game thing...pass the responsibility parcel...as after all that isn't how we got into this mess, is it?

Sadly these things were not explained to the public at the time of the vote.

Apologies for a slight derail but couldn’t any reasonable person have realised there would be known unknowns in a leave scenario? I am not knowledgable enough to have understood all impacts of leave but I was smart enough to realise there would be numerous impacts so to vote for it without knowing was to simply vote for uncertainty. Cannot accept the “they didn’t explain that” argument

Things were explained to the public it's just that the lies were louder and the lies were allowed to stand. It's a disgrace how the referendum campaign was carried out. An affront to democracy.

Obviously the subtleties and details of 40 + years of integration with the EU are far beyond the comprehension of BejamNostalgia and other rabid Brexiteers.
The EU are not saying the medicines etc can't go to the UK, the issue is doing it in a timely fashion so that isotopes haven't expired before arriving at the hospital.
This pathetic 'the EU are bullying us' is complete and utter nonsense.
It is probably too much to ask Brexiteers to actually engage their brain and examine what the actual problems are rather than some imagined crap that Farage and the ERG have whistled up. So far no Brexiteers have manage to make 2+2=4 in any of their arguments.