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To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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cantbearsed1 · 06/03/2019 07:49

Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

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Motheroffourdragons · 06/03/2019 12:01

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 06/03/2019 12:01

What you’re saying is that you approve of a plan which would kill thousands of people. You’re supporting the EU in doing something that could kill thousands of people.

No, dear. That would be Leave voters. This is all on them.

BorisBogtrotter · 06/03/2019 12:01

"Uncontrolled immigrated has stretched public services and forced government to allocate more to NHS and schools than warm planned. "

Except it hasn't, and austerity has caused the problems with the NHS and schools.

Go read up on it.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 06/03/2019 12:01

Really poor effort at gaslighting there to be fair.

0/10

BejamNostalgia · 06/03/2019 12:02

Can we have a vote to keep all the nice hardworking immigrants and boot out all the xenophobic idiot plebs

Things like this are the reason Remain lost. Just callous and arrogant.

It just astounds me. Remainers absolutely loathe the working classes and protest that they shouldn’t be allowed to participate in the political process, and they think an organisation deliberately preventing essential supplies reaching those in need: and you honestly think you’re the good guys?

doIreallyneedto · 06/03/2019 12:02

@BejamNostalgIs - But the WTO has specifically said nothing in their rules says there has to be a hard border so ‘enforcing WTO rules’ doesn’t require one.

I can only assume that you are not actually reading anything anyone is posting. The WTO does not require a hard border. However, they require that all members are treated the same. Therefore, if no checks are made on goods coming from the EU then NO CHECKS CAN BE PUT ON GOODS COMING FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Do you really think that the UK will do that? That they will allow any old crap to come in from anywhere without checks? As pp's have asked: would you be happy to inject medicine that has entered the country with absolutely no checks to ensure it is what it claims to be?

Please answer this question before posting the same drivel about WTO not requiring a hard border.

BejamNostalgia · 06/03/2019 12:04

No, dear. That would be Leave voters. This is all on them.

Are leavers going to be in Calais enforcing a hard border and insisting that the picture on a fag packet is checked?

No. It will be the EU and they will be choosing to do it. You think it’s okay for people to die while the EU deliberately stops the cure reaching them?

Smotheroffive · 06/03/2019 12:05

Ha! Mother that sounds exactly the premis of customs! When I started travelling around the world I always wondered why people with stuff to hide would do anything but walk through the 'nothing to declare [no smuggling here]' channel?

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 06/03/2019 12:05

All on the Leave voters. No matter how much they tantrum and wail.

You voted for this, you own it.

SusanWalker · 06/03/2019 12:07

I'm not stopping people getting their cancer treatment. The government is. Not just by persuing brexit, but by persuing it in such a way, that healthcare professionals don't know how medicines are going to be delivered in three weeks time.

Funny that this is all the EUs fault for not wanting to open their borders to the whole world, and not the government's. The government who has known this would be a problem for the last three years, yet has done nothing to address it.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 06/03/2019 12:08

Remainers absolutely loathe the working classes

I AM working class.

So bored of this 'Remainers are the elite' shtick your lot keep regurgitating. When Mogg, Johnson and Farage are your cheerleaders you really can't claim to be the downtrodden oppressed. Sorry, love.

TheElementsSong · 06/03/2019 12:08

Scene One: The border in Sunlit Brexit Britain, summer 2019.

Customs official : "What's in the back? Any school-place stealing immigrants?"

Lorry driver: "Nah mate, I'm carrying essentials and you know, every second of delay makes a hostage of a hungry child or cancer patient"

Customs official : "Oh sooooo sorry! Quickly, let me personally usher you to this express lane without even glancing at your trailer!"

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BejamNostalgia · 06/03/2019 12:10

For fuck’s sake. Hypocritical to accuse me of not reading when you’ve missed this important fucking bit of the article:

“What does require you to protect your border is protecting the integrity of your single market; it needs to be preserved. Ireland would be required by EU law to do so and it is in Ireland’s interests to do that. Ultimately, it is about protecting jobs.”

The WTO doesn’t require a border. It’s the EU that requires a hard border. It’s the EUs rules which will stop things entering. And you think that’s okay? For an organisation to sit watching people die going ‘rules are rules’.

You think the Single Market is worth killing people for?

Because that’s basically what you’re arguing for.

Lweji · 06/03/2019 12:12

No. It will be the EU and they will be choosing to do it. You think it’s okay for people to die while the EU deliberately stops the cure reaching them?

The EU didn't choose Brexit.

The UK government has had, by now, almost 3 years to prepare for Brexit. The UK government is fully responsible if sick people in the UK don't get enough medicine.

PestyMachtubernahme · 06/03/2019 12:13

EU new medical rules, updated Feb 2019 for no deal.
ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/file_import/medicinal_products_for_human_and_veterinary_use-qa_en_0.pdf

Leave means leave the club and learn to cope with the new 3rd country rules.

It is fecking shit but it is leave. This is what people voted for.
The EU is bloody boring, it follows the rule book (of which we wrote a significant amount).

cantbearsed1 · 06/03/2019 12:13

Bejam So you are arguing for no checks at our borders at all? Is that right?

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 06/03/2019 12:15

I would laugh at this if it wasn't so bloody desperate. The Leavers were told what would happen. They said 'Ha! Don't care. Project Fear. Sovereignty!'. What was predicted looks like its going to come to pass and suddenly the Leavers are all 'Wah. Not fair!'.

Pk37 · 06/03/2019 12:15

I don’t get why you’re surprised ,really.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/03/2019 12:16

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Peregrina · 06/03/2019 12:16

Lorry driver at UK border: "I'm carrying essentials, me!"

Bit like Lonnie Donegan's Rock Island Line:
" I got pigs, I got sheep." " I fooled you, I got pig-iron."

Lweji · 06/03/2019 12:17

If I was a Brexiter, I'd be ashamed if the EU had to send special medicine packs as, effectively, charity relief to the UK to save lives.

Also, the EU won't be the sole provider of medicine. I'm sure the US can too, but, alas, Brexit ends trade agreements with the US via the EU, too. It will require new ones.

There's always China and India, which are incredibly reliable providers. Hmm

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/03/2019 12:17

I think that Bejam must be arguing that the EU drops all of its borders to the rest of the world for us.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 06/03/2019 12:18

Bejam 'callous' is seeing a dead refugee toddler wash up on a beach and still voting against freedom of movement.
Callous is assuming our govt are acting in the people's best interests when they impose sanctions or Universal Credit on the poorest.
Callous is looking the other way when food banks have to ensure our working poor can feed their families.
Callous is voting Tory and then somehow blaming the EU when the govt can't admit it is way out of it's depth and people will die as a result of the non-legally binding referendum the Tories called because they were infighting. THAT is callous.

Remainers have been tirelessly warning people all along that this would be the result of a leave vote. If you are now suddenly feeling guilty that's on you.

BubblesBuddy · 06/03/2019 12:18

I think many farmers did realise they were supported, in part, by the EU and that they needed to trade with the EU seamlessly. Therefore Remain was the best option. I know the NFU was against Brexit but, as usual, some wealthy landowners and others said Leave was "no problem".

In every single walk of life, people who are at the coal face, and who face the the greatest risk to their jobs and lifestyle, have listened to those who have a very good life and no need to worry about anything, ever. An over-simplified argument appears to be all some people can understand and now we have to listen to "Just Leave - now!!!" It is truly worrying that this is the quality of debate and depth of understanding some people have.

I too have despaired at people not understanding the obvious. "Take Back Control" have been the most damaging three words we have heard in a generation. It is impossible to do this without chaos. It is impossible to do this without some people/firms finding it a great strain due to lack of clarity regarding trade, imports, regulations and rules that govern our lives. It is so sad that younger people will be picking up the pieces of this and many older people appear not to care a fig about them. Many are OK with generous pensions and somewhere pleasant to live.

We are not rich enough to pay for Brexit and think we will have money for all the services we need. I have no doubt younger people will be truly shafted for this decison and there is no utopia after Brexit. They already cannot afford housing, pensions and now face worse services and higher taxation than the generation before them.

Immigration has helped this country. We have not moved quickly to curb immigration because if you just look at NHS vacancies, for example, we see that we need skilled people. Many other industries and farmers are in the same position. The immigrants have families but we need their skills. We cannot do without them right now or we will be in an even bigger mess.