To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

I just see people have been regurgitating Farage's false drivel about immigration on here.

Just to put in some solid facts to replace the feelz.

As well as putting the NHS under acute pressure by their departure - we have also lost the money the ' floods' of EU Migrants contributed. They supplied £2,300 more each per annum to UK public finances (including NHS funding and adult social care etc) than other U.K. residents.

For EU13+ migrants their contribution was £3,700 per capita higher each per annum to the public finances than the average 'British' adult. ( EU13+ are the EU members before 2004 plus EEA members plus Switzerland. )

Non-EEA migrants contributed around £840 less..

So actually maybe we needed that 'flood' of people - better than a drought anyway.

Those damned clipboards and stodgy rules, we voted Leave to be FREEEEEEEE:

So, radioactive isotopes and complex medicines (remember, many drugs such as cancer drugs are severely cytotoxic) without full traceability, chain of custody, and paperwork confirmed all in order - who's rushing to the front of the queue to get those injected into their bloodstream? Show of hands?

Bejam you are the only one mentioning a blockade.

Others are only mentioning customs and additional paperwork. This is the downside of controlling our borders. Until we know what is happening, we don't know for sure what this paperwork or customs requirements will be required. Nobody can be completely prepared for the unknown.

Whata the actual differece in what's happening, apart from the border being put in place?
We will no longer have the contracts or agreements in place Smother. Our government hasn't made them.

The EU will enforce WTO rules for the UK, because it legally has to treat all non-members the same until there is a trade deal which allows some changes.

No country outside the EU, including Norway and Switzerland have the totally frictionless movement of goods that EU members have

The EU will not damage its own SIngle Market, on which its prosperity depends, in order to rescue the UK from its own choice

Anymore than you would ruin yourself financially to help a neighbour who got themselves into trouble

It’s still Cancer Research’s position. they’ve got quite a few documents re No Deal Brexit and although they have some concerns, this isn’t one of them.

Bejam i think you are meant to be snapping up the chance to inject some unknown substance - you wanted CHANGE! and an end to pesky experts, no?

And I will ask you again. Who are the Pixies who are going to be doing this, sitting tapping their clipboards while people die?
It's hard to explain the basics of business to people. Let's start with insurance. If you decide to inject yourself with an unknown substance that hasn't been regulated because your country has decided rules are a bit too costly to enforce...do you see where I am going here?

TheElementsSong

Those damned clipboards and stodgy rules, we voted Leave to be FREEEEEEEE:

Ha! Immediately pictured swivel eyed Spike Milligan throwing a dead sparrow out between the bars of the jail window in The Three Musketeers, I think it was, shouting FLY FREEEE. Pretty good pictorial representation of the whole thing 😁

The EU will enforce WTO rules for the UK, because it legally has to treat all non-members the same until there is a trade deal which allows some changes.

But the WTO has specifically said nothing in their rules says there has to be a hard border so ‘enforcing WTO rules’ doesn’t require one.

{I'm not getting this, will they not continue doing what they have been...I mean travelling through same routes with same carriers from same source? Whats the actual difference in what's happening, apart from the border being put in place?}

The difference is that currently the vast majority of shipments are scheduled and arrive at ports with necessary documentation and the need for checks being minimal, they run through in 2 minutes or less.
As a third country most if not all vehicles will have to be checked which puts transit time to around 15 to 20 minutes per vehicle. Considering there around 8,000 trucks a day this increased time escalates a short queue to a tailback extending 20km and taking many hours to complete. It is the detail not the basic process that is the problem.

For gods sake stop looking at the bbc website. They are so anti Brexit they print any little thing. No one knows what is going to happen. It’s project fear all over again, remember the emergency budget we would need to survive a leave vote? Remember all the walls going to come crashing down if we voted leave? Well we are still waiting. Get a grip

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/wto-says-its-rules-would-not-force-eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136%3fmode=amp

There it is again. Enforcing WTO rules doesn’t require a hard border and the WTO says it will not enforce it.

WTO doesn’t mean there has to be a hard border.

Cancer Research are great, but they are not the Royal College of Radiologists and the NHS who actually do the cancer treatments and are warning of delays in actual treatment to actual patients in the UK because of Brexit.

Thank you Dione it's hard to grasp how little people understand about global relations and regulations of produce!

I'm guessing this lot haven't seen the meat mark issues either. Maybe they will remember CJD though?

Loving the idea that if Berjam thinks all legal bods, insurers, safety and public health officials should be called Pixies

We haven’t left yet. Bangs head on desk.

www.independent.ie/business/brexit/there-will-have-to-be-a-border-former-wto-leader-on-brexit-36265479.html

Can I just point out that it's not just no deal that'll create chaos. Even if May's deal gets through it'll still be chaos, just on a smaller scale. We'll have a transition period agreed with the EU but this doesn't cover our trade with countries we currently have trade deals with via the EU. The department for exiting the EU has to agree those separately. So far they've agreed around 5 out of the 70 or so they need.

I'm still waiting for somebody to volunteer to inject unchecked chemical/radioactive substances (imbued with sovereignty and freedom) into their bloodstreams.

I'm worried for diabetics who are insulin dependent - we import our insulin from the EU, it could kill people if there is a shortage

{But the WTO has specifically said nothing in their rules says there has to be a hard border so ‘enforcing WTO rules’ doesn’t require one.}

But the whole point of Brexit is to take control of our borders.
Make your mind up do you want borders YES or NO?

To lonelyland

Uncontrolled immigrated has stretched public services and forced government to allocate more to NHS and schools than warm planned. Hence less money available for farmers

Make your mind up do you want borders YES or NO?

I think the idea is that we'll have a magic pixie border whereby unwanted foreigners are kept out, but any lorry driver who shouts "Medicine on board!" zooms through without even waving a clipboard.

It's such a shame almost every economist in the UK and abroad didn't pipe up before the vote and say that Brexit would be a disaster for Britain. IF ONLY WE HAD KNOWN.

Oh wait. They did.