To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

Boris UK can't have an open boarder with EU and WTO countries. I know you know this, but the leavers clearly don't.

I realise you don't rustle up a fta in a matter of weeks, but when you've already had trading arrangements for all these years.

What holds things up considerably is details like not even being allowed to continue carrying the cigarette pack warnings because they're copyrighted by EU x a billion!

Oh, and cancer research has said cancer treatments are very unlikely to be affected because the UK has already guaranteed it will continue to adhere to EU rules on medicine.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2018/08/30/no-deal-brexit-what-the-governments-plans-could-mean-for-cancer-treatment-care-and-research/amp/

But, yeah, carry on scaring cancer patients for your own political purposes.

The WTO itself has said there is absolutely nothing in there rules that says we have to have a hard border with the EU.

The UK will not be enforcing a hard border stopping EU goods entering. The WTO won’t enforce a border.

So who is going to be doing it?

Oh, and there was an isotopes shortage in NI for four years while we were in the EU.

Missed oh yes those floods of immigrants causing our food costs to spike, drugs to be delayed and billions spent on preparing for becoming a third country. Trillions they wiped off our business sector, they caused farmers to be now the most concerning group for suicide because of course IMMIGRANTS have put the farming sector into turmoil

If I was a refugee in France, I would be waiting for Brexit day if I wanted to come to the UK. I suspect border controls will not be done properly in order to minimise delays to goods.

Just a heads up in that link:

But even with these steps, the notices make clear that a no deal would still cause disruption – and that drugs companies should stockpile medicines just in case.

This talk of the UK's ranking in GDP is entirely missing the point.
If the UK was ranked at 199 out of 200, but the citizens had access to good healthcare, good housing, decent and at least adequate food it would be infinitely better than being 5th where people are in a lottery for healthcare and people die in the streets of hunger and cold.
Although it is related, the EU is not all about the money but about safety and a decent quality of life for as many EU citizens as possible. Nowhere in the world is perfect and as the European Parliament does not have a vice like grip of all the sovereign countries that make up the EU, there discrepancies.
Maybe this concept is too difficult for the rabid Brexiteers.

Smother that's copyright law and nothing to do with EU specifically

Blame the politicians who said (and STILL say) we'd be better off out and that leaving would be a breeze. Then blame the people who voted to leave without any thought for the consequences.

Of course it was going to affect us in many bad ways!

Bejam I am not an expert, this is what I heard an oncologist saying on the radio. Are you saying he was lying when he said the Government has told oncologists to book less people into their clinics for now?

Does anyone remember the Leave adverts about the NHS shown before the referendum? The Remain scenario was an waiting room packed full of glum people waiting for hours. The Leave scenario showed a half-empty waiting room and patients being seen quickly by smiling doctors.

Indeed I do. What they didn't say was that this was Private medicine and that for those who couldn't afford it - tough.

What holds things up considerably is details like not even being allowed to continue carrying the cigarette pack warnings because they're copyrighted by EU x a billion!

Jesus Christ.

So who is going to be sitting checking packets of fags while people are dying?

Who is going to be enforcing that has to happen? Who will there employers be? Damn those pixies.

Do you know the last person to blockade a country was? Stalin. They would literally be taking Stalinist actions.

We had a trading agreement because we were one bloc. When we leave, we are no longer part of that trading bloc. EU rules and regulations are no longer in force in the UK.

Leavers voted Leave to bring about change. Changes to our borders, changes to our import regulations, changes to our trading agreements. If we want everything to stay the same and have an immediate FTA with the EU, then we need to Revoke.

Bejam I am not an expert, this is what I heard an oncologist saying on the radio. Are you saying he was lying when he said the Government has told oncologists to book less people into their clinics for now?

Cancer research say that, yes. That’s their official line.

Leavers certainly have a lot of faith in the benevolence of our Tory govt. I'd really love to know why, despite all of the evidence austerity has provided to the contrary.

Awful bit not shocking. This was all foreseeable.

The EU has to enforce its 4 freedoms

If it makes an exception in the case of the UK, then WTO rules and MFN clauses in its 40 FTAs mean that it would have to make an exception for all the other countries too

i.e. the EU would basically have to demolish its Single Market, on which its prosperity depends

So, yes it could theoretically choose not to enforce the rules, but only if it is prepared to destroy the prosperity of its own members,
to save the UK fro the consequences of its own decision

The Republic of Ireland and indeed the whole EU could theoretically choose not to enforce import controls on UK goods at its external borders,
but then again it would also have to abolish import controls for all the other countries

Unless the UK stops exports to the Channel ports, then they will soon be logjammed on the EU side, as they struggle to carry out all the required checks.

WTO rules and MFN don't prevent countries from having open goods borders; they just require them to be open for all countries on equal terms.

So, radioactive isotopes and complex medicines (remember, many drugs such as cancer drugs are severely cytotoxic) without full traceability, chain of custody, and paperwork confirmed all in order - who's rushing to the front of the queue to get those injected into their bloodstream? Show of hands?

Bejam legal armies will be checking copyright issues and yes, UK will be fined if it uses these illegally.

“MissedTheBoatAgain

To motheroffourdragons

It is not self inflicted. Had Bialr and Merkal not opened the floodgates on immigration there may have never been a need to have an EU referendum”

And the prospect of leaving is really helping a treat with those immigration figures, isn’t it? Net migration substantially up last time I looked.

Different mix of people, sure. I don’t care about immigration or the nationalities of the immigrants, the over-whelming majority of whom contribute more to our economy than they benefit. I have a basic grasp of demographics and understand we desperately need it, not least to look after our elderly.
Suspect the eyebrows of many of those very people who voted to leave are raised at the new composition of the immigrant population. Which I think is hilarious. Take back control? Yep, that’s going well.

Bejam, that link to Cancer Research is dated last August. The oncologist interviewed is talking about where we are right now.

Sorry lonely - they have been coming in seemlessly I mean how? Are you saying they are not tracked, checked, scrutinised at every stage as as been suggested such dangerous items should? They just travel freely?

I'm not getting this, will they not continue doing what they have been...I mean travelling through same routes with same carriers from same source? Whata the actual differece in what's happening, apart from the border being put in place?

Leavers voted Leave to bring about change. Changes to our borders, changes to our import regulations, changes to our trading agreements. If we want everything to stay the same and have an immediate FTA with the EU, then we need to Revoke.

Jesus Christ.There is ground between a fta and a blockade you know.

And I will ask you again. Who are the Pixies who are going to be doing this, sitting tapping their clipboards while people die?

We might be a big economy but we have a lot of people.

GDP (nominal) per capita we are between 22nd and 24th depending on source. (This measure does not allow for cost of living) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Gross domestic product (at purchasing power parity) per capita we are between 24th and 29th en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Of course our government chooses a different measure that makes us look great.

Then again we might be 9th fullfact.org/economy/uk-worlds-5th-or-9th-largest-economy

At the end of the day, it is our governments responsibility to sort it. So far they are not looking too good at the day job.

"Brexit from a medical perspective is potentially a disaster. Sadly these things were not explained to the public at the time of the vote."

Like so little was explained, as
1 we didn't know the full implications generally
2 it has nothing to do with the Little Englander, inward-looking mentality that attracted so many leave voters.