To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

and this is why I voted remain.....if all the truth had actually been told and people hadn't been lied to (and believed the lies) no-one would have voted to leave. I hope I don't get sick

"That Japan gets free trade, but not all the others, so they can but UK can't?"

Japan has an FTA, the UK can have one too, but it doesn't at the moment.

Japan's FTA does not give it freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and labour into the EU. There are restrictions on all, there may be totally reduced tariffs on certain goods, over time ( cars falls to 0 in 2027), but some non tariff barriers still exist. Japan's deal is similar to Canada's, what the UK wants is Japan ++.

To motheroffourdragons

WWII started in 1939 and ended in 1945. However, rationing did not end until 1954, 9 years later which is a longer period than the war itself.

Was it worth the struggle? Oh yes. Had Germany not been defeated we would have all been told to grow small moustache and goose step everywhere.

The Canada deal took 7 years to negotiate. I don't think there's any possibility of us negotiating a Free trade deal in 3 weeks. Particularly as we don't know what we'll have to trade with in 5 or 10 years time because everything is about to change.

Why would eu not give UK fta then?
Thanks Dionne Boris

thecute that statement was based on cancer screening and treatment being impacted, which we've been told is isnt

No one is stopping it. It will just not be under the 4 freedoms.

Well given the entire principle of this thread is that they will be stopped or delayed on from entering doesn’t that sound a tad hypocritical?

So come on, you’re just quoting more rules.

Who is going to enforce them? Who will be sitting on piles of drugs and food in Calais going ‘rules are rules’ it’s not going in?

Who, apart from the EU would prevent or delay them entering?

I don’t give a shit if you quote a whole book of rules at me, they are meaningless unless they are enforced. And nobody has made a single credible argument that anybody except the EU would enforce them.

Look, have you seen what’s going on in Venezuela? Maduro has closed the borders. He is stopping aid, food and medicine, from coming in. He has done it within Venezuela’s legal system. Nobody is standing up saying how amazing he is for enforcing the rules. The entire world is up in arms about it. But apparently if the EU do the same to the UK, that is all fine and dandy.

The idea that our own customs officers will be preventing essentials entering is absolutely laughable.

surfer what time limit are you giving us to fall to the 8th?
Where do you predict we will be in 30 years, with a rapidly declining health system that will have to pay extra for medication and an emigrating workforce (probably privitised within 20 years), less regulations and standards on our increasingly expensive food (ultimately increasing our need for a free to all healthcare service) and brain drain for research funds and collaborative working in a global environment not a traditionalist isolationalist island ?

i don't think there's any possibility of us negotiating a Free trade deal in 3 weeks.

Those talking about blockades - are you saying that there should be no border checks?So if a truck rolls up to the border and says it has medicine onboard, it should just be waved through?

Let’s send Boris and see what he can do

LaurieMarlow

You obviously weren’t listening to that nice Dr. Fox during the campaign.

Berjam are you volunteering to bring in radioactive goods without any regulations? Be our guest...

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/uk-cancer-survival-rates-lag-behind-those-of-other-european-countries-study

Due to delay in diagnosis and our sovereign governments slow uptake of new expensive treatments, we already have more people dying of cancer than most EU countries. The EU could not force us to give better treatment when we were in the club. They can't force us once we leave.

We are responsible for delivering treatment and acquiring supplies to do so. We are a grown up country and need to own our responsibilities.

The WA offered us a route to carry on as normalish whilst we sorted stuff.

Hopefully we will sort a deal soon (2 - 5 years) in the meantime, we will all live with what our government has decided to do. That will include a lot more customs checks than now.

Info on EU no-deal planning, they have done loads of stuff to make it easier for us. Because nobody wants mad starving fascists as a neighbour. europa.eu/newsroom/highlights/special-coverage/brexit_en

DH is also a research scientist, they are already affected by Brexit, collaborations with other labs in the EU are already being dropped by the EU labs. Cross-exchanges between labs for learning new techniques etc etc has already be stopped. DH is v concerned about his job since a number in his lab are EU funded and that is stopping.

Brexit is a disaster about to happen for the scientific community in the UK.

Why would eu not give UK fta then?
It could, but we haven't negotiated one with them yet. International trading agreements are complex things that take a long time to come about.

We could have an instant FTA with the EU by revoking.

"Why would eu not give UK fta then?"

The UK has to be a third country in order to negotiate one, international trade agreements take a long time to negotiate. Under the terms of May's WA the UK bought time in order to be able to remain within the single market and customs union, but outside the EU, and be able to negotiate a trade deal.

Bejam you are demonstrating with each post a lack of understanding.

The UK will be required to control its border under WTO rules, if it wants to stop other countries from exporting here with no protectionist barriers.

"And nobody has made a single credible argument that anybody except the EU would enforce them."

The UK will be enforcing them, Phillip Hammond has said so.

Just googled this and the only article I could find is this - www.wired.co.uk/article/no-deal-brexit-consequences-medicine-cancer. Awful lot of 'mights' and 'possibly' and 'perhaps' in this. May I voice the opinion that OP is another remoaner just trying to spread needless fear. Lets wait and see what ACTUALLY happens and not what MIGHT happen. I MIGHT win the lottery tomorrow.

How have they come in till now Lonely ?

Actually don’t. You need a license to import radioactive materials and complex drugs for a reason.

Yes it is insane to give up your access to lifesaving drugs and treatments without an alternative. This is one of the many reasons a lot of people think No Deal is a really terrible plan.
Yes the EU might extend licenses on compassionate grounds for a number of months but a new agreement will be needed and the UK haven’t even agreed among themselves what they want to do.

mcnaughty I am not talking about the actual medication, I don't know. I was shocked that oncologists have been told by our government to not book as many people into their clinics because of worries about imports of treatment options.
Or do you think this is just the Government engaging in Project Fear?

And note, whatever happens or does not happen at our borders, less people will have appointments in clinics, which means longer waits.

mcnaughty:

www.hsj.co.uk/policy-and-regulation/some-cancer-treatment-may-be-delayed-post-brexit/7024457.article

Its the import paperwork, that is causing the trouble, not the EU as bejam suggests.

Its also the delays at ports, again caused by checks at the UK border that makes the import of these goods unviable because of their short shelf life.

So unless the UK chooses to have an open border ( taking back control) with the EU, and then offers the same to all other WTO countries under MFN status then its going to have trouble bringing in these goods.

Not enforced by the EU, but by the UK.

Smother They have come in seamlessly because WE HAVE BEEN PART OF A REGULATED TRADING BLOC AND EURATOM.

And they say we were paying for nothing being in EU...

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To motheroffourdragons

It is not self inflicted. Had Bialr and Merkal not opened the floodgates on immigration there may have never been a need to have an EU referendum.