To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

surfer only people who don't understand cause and effect won't be looking at blaming Brexit for our third country status.

New Brexit goals: cause ourselves food and medicine shortages, then depend on the organisation we were desperate to leave, to send us rescue parcels.

It certainly seems to be Bejams vision of Brexit.😂😂😂

This whole thing has been a shocking insight into the old Colonial mindset "what-ho Johnny Foreigner! We have decided we're not going to stay in your club but we still want all the perks! We're going to enforce border controls but don't you dare use all that extra regulation WE are imposing to slow down the free trade we said we didn't want! (but if we need it, we still want it, but we don't, but we do). We'll decide what the new rules are going to be!

What do you mean "No"? DON'T YOU DARE SAY NO TO ME, DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"

The answer to "who we are" of course is "a small island off the coast of France". The fact is, we're just not important enough to get to barge into the EU offices and start making up new rules to suit only ourselves while expecting all the other EU nations to just meekly roll over. At the end of the day, they just don't need us. We're not more special than any of the other member states.

You honestly believe the UK would sit back and watch people dying because they’re too busy counting fridges on the back of lorries in Dover? You really think any government would sit back on its arse watching people die because rules are rules?

Statement like this just show how good people in Britain have had it. British people who voted leave are convinced they are so important because 'we are British' that everything will be fine. We are now a tiny, lonely island.

Bejam repeating the word pixies over and over is not as powerful an argument as you think it is.

You honestly believe the UK would sit back and watch people dying because they’re too busy counting fridges on the back of lorries in Dover? You really think any government would sit back on its arse watching people die because rules are rules?

Statement like this just show how good people in Britain have had it. British people who voted leave are convinced they are so important because 'we are British' that everything will be fine. We are now a tiny, lonely island.

So EU will split their 4 pillars for all countries (i.e Japan free trade) except UK?

Wouldn't this be considered discriminatory?

I am not swearing at anyone or trying to be derogatory, I am simply asking a question. I say this because of the amount of abuse going on on this thread...e.g. so many

“And no, I don’t think things will be terrible for 30 years, not at all.”

Why not, Surferjet? The ERG poster boy himself has said it may take decades for any benefits of leaving to be felt. Until then, there may be disruptions and challenges.

Jolly good job then that we have world class technology, cross-border scientific co-operation and incredibly hard working NHS staff from across the EU to keep us all going until we can reap those benefits ........ oh, hang on.

I can understand that goods going into the EU from the UK could be delayed by extra inspections at EU ports. I recently visited a couple of Belgian ports and the preparations there suggested that they were hoping the French would be difficult and slow imports down, while they would have systems to get goods through as quickly as possible and so grab trade from the French.

What I don't understand is why people are saying that imports into the UK will be held up. Any level of inspection will be down to the UK government - that is the point of leaving the EU. Why would the British government slow up imports and create problems for its voters? Nothing will change in the standards of EU produced goods, so if they can be waved through on 28 March, they can be waved through on 30 March.

It's possible that some vehicles will start getting stuck in EU ports, although the Belgians seem to have put things in place to minimize that, but that will take some days to work through to them getting back to UK ports again and will also affect transport throughout the EU, as it's not as if there's a certain type of vehicle that can go to Britain and a different type for the rest of the EU.

Good Friday agreement was made between UK and Irish governments. Brussels not involved

That's true...JRM did state 50 years.

Your poster boy, isnt he, surfer?

is a bit sick in mouth 🤢

Wait... So the leaflet that said if I voted to leave that there would billions more pounds for the NHS was a lie?!?

I live in a county which is going to be massively hit by leaving. A county which voted overwhelmingly to remain. But I've lost count of the the number of people, especially older people who believe, wrongly, who I've heard saying it's great as we'll be getting all this money back for the NHS and services locally.

The sad reality is we'll actually lose even more, far more than anywhere else because as such a rural area we are heavily reliant upon funding which (unsurprisingly) won't be matched after we leave.

I find the UK thinking they can just throw the GFA under a red brexit bus hilarious.

The US has a very powerful Irish lobby.

And as will will be US dependancy we will have to do as they say.

Apologies I've not read the whole thread. Stupid iPad kept reloading and loads of pages have been uploaded since I tried so if I've repeated what anyone else has said it wasn't delibrate!

To Becca

Sounds like you are from Scotland

My nephew was supposed to have an OP yesterday.

Cancelled.

My niece is due to have one on Monday.

I'd say its 50/50 if it happens. She's been on a wait list for 18 months.

Radioisotope supply comes from a limited number of reactors. Some comes from South Africa, some Russia but a large amount from Europe. Due to the half life (the material decays away to non-medically useful isotopes in hours, days, weeks or months depending on the isotope) it is not possible to stockpile this stuff. The 99mTc that is used in SPECT imaging agents is made in-situ in a generator by the decay of 99Mo. These generators are manufacured and shipped immediately and generally hospitals have a new one each week (you can still get some material out into the second week but by the end of the second week the isotopes have decayed away). These have been 99Mo shortages frequently before that have led to generator production issues. However these are normally pretty short lived.

I used to be a development chemist for radiopharmaceuticals and this issue has been flagged to the government and everyone in the industry has been aware of this for some time. The government have made statements on this specifically.

The drugs are not used to treat cancer. There are imaging agents for cardiac conditions, parkinsons, etc..

This is the problem with letting us, the unknowing masses, decide things like Brexit. I knew about this tiny area that would be potentially massively impacted because I worked in it. I know nothing about the impact to agriculture or banking or shoe manufacture - but someone who works in those areas might do. We are tightly meshed into the EU across all aspects of our economy. If this is the impact on my tiny niche I assume there are similar impacts on everyone's tiny niches - I just don't know about them. How can I possibly be qualified to decide whether this country can safely extricate itself from the EU without breaking too many things - I can't. Only a large team of cross functional experts with an overview of all areas could really have made a sensible decision about this..... And instead they chose a referendum. Politicians are arses.

You want to leave the EU, but you want everything to remain the same?

Saying that no humane state would stop the supply of essentials for life entering another state is not ‘wanting everything to stay the same’?

What recourse does a firm selling goods to the UK have to take if they aren't paid, under which law is the contract enforced?

Well do you know what, who buys these drugs? The NHS, the fucking government. Our own fucking government buys the drugs and can underwrite the payments.

Again, this is just an argument that pixies do it.

These companies will have dealt with us for years and will still want to sell to us. Who is going to stop them doing this? Who is going to do it? Who is going to stop them getting here?

How is the trade regulated? Who makes sure that standards are adhered to?

This is just more of the same BS. The WTO has standards for food and medicine. And they’re quite keen on making sure people have access to them.

The standards for food are here: www.wto.org/english/res_e/booksp_e/tradefoodfao17_e.pdf

Their position on medicine access is in here:

www.wto.org/English/tratop_e/dda_e/dohaexplained_e.htm

And tell me again, you have just given me a list of rules, they’re irrelevant. I want to know who will be enforcing rules which would stop essentials entering.

It’s not the UK and the WTO says it won’t be them. Who, apart from the EU is going to be deliberately stopping essentials entering other than the EU and its states?

Smotheroffive, no it is not discriminatory. Countries and Trading blocks negotiate Trade deals to be as mutually beneficial as possible. The EU Japan deal you mention took 5 years of negotiations.

StormTreader

We’re the 5th biggest economy in the world.
Not just some insignificant island off the coast of France. The EU loved our money, which is why they didn’t want us to leave.

HTH.

To 67chevvy

Both my mother and uncle had to wait long time for operation in UK long before Brexit was even mentioned

missed no, but I do live in very rural Wales. Same issues they're facing though.

Please explain how calling people 'fuckers' helps anything except igniting further flaming

"So EU will split their 4 pillars for all countries"

Ah, the Japan has a trade agreement and the UK doesn't. Japan does not have the four freedoms as part of its trade deal, there are restrictions on movements of goods, services, capital and labour.