To be shocked BREXIT is going to affect cancer treatment?

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Just listening to the BBC radio news and they were interviewing an oncologist who said that because of worries about getting hold of enough isotopes straight after BREXIT, Drs have been advised by the Government to book less people into their clinics for both diagnosis and treatment.
This will mean longer waits for diagnosis and treatment from some patients. I was taken aback that such a serious medical issue is being affected.

So surfer....
You admit things will be shit for the next 30 years?
Gosh, that's a change from you! No more new Albion!?
Hows your Brexit stockpiling going btw?
That you swore you'd never do as it was scaremongering?
Amazing how jittery leavers are getting, isn't it?
Almost as if they know they've made a terrible mistake, voiced it very vocally and publicly and are now scaredof the inevitable backlash?
Diddums.

but are you ok with not getting a pay rise because your company does really well out of brexit?

You are right, i won't get a payrise. I presume that's a typo and you meant get a payrise.

are you ok with leavers reaping all the rewards that come our way because you didn’t vote for it so don’t really deserve anything

If only that choice was available. Unfortunately, it won't be a choice. We will all have to suck up all the problems that arise from voting leave. We will all get these 'rewards' you talk of although I'm not too hopeful of these rewards outweighing the losses. The NHS is my main concern and it's not looking good is it.

Bejam the EU is bigger than us.
It doesn't need to care about a small isolationist island now we have chosen to leave. The EU has been forced to look at boarders because of the leave vote. Their regulations are stricter than ours will be so, to protect their bloc and their people they will need a boarder. I don't think anyone in the bloc would begrudge that, just as we want to "take back control" of our boarders. The thing is we need to pay for them if we want that.

•The companies who manufacture them will still want the orders. The haulage firms won’t want to turn away the business.•

It's not about that - it's the fact that there is increased paperwork and hoops to jump through to get the freight out of the country and into the country which is going to mean delays. Of course the haulage firms want the business and they will continue to get it, but it's not going to be as quick as it was before.

I told my MP this and he didn't even write back
Not sure where this came from but I thought they were legally required to respond.
Might be worth looking into.

I am going to take a wild and uninformed guess that the sale and export of radioactive isotopes and powerful drugs is a bit more complicated than the sale and export of tomatoes. Possibly because standards have to be ensured and it is generally not s good thing if these items end up for sale on street corners or on eBay, so there are probably complex arrangements and agreements in place in the public interest?
The UK in unilaterally leaving these arrangements without agreeing any new ones but it is someone else’s fault if they can’t get the radioactive isotopes and the drugs?

Or is my guess wildly wrong?

Bejam has now descended into strawman arguments.

The UK will protect its internal market, there will be inspections and paper work at the border because of the UK enforcing this.

"The EU and it’s member states will do this and they are an evil, genocidal bunch of maniacs who are capable of standing back and watching people die for the sake of a trading block"

No, this is caused by the leave vote

Remember "Take back control"

This is what it meant.

Bejam how will the UK get medicines if it doesn't have contracts and agreements in place to buy and import them? How do we take control of our borders without taking the time needed to control them?

Christ almighty. who enforces that we need to have border controls so tight that drugs can’t get through? Pixies? Magical fairy dusty pixies? Who legislates the law that would stop it? Maybe it is fairies.

Of course it’s not, it’s the fucking EU and it’s states. We will not be preventing them from entering. They only conceivable people who could do this would be the EU and it’s member states.

Basically that just boils down to exactly the same thing. A claim that the EU would deliberately stop or delay essential items from entering and sit by watching people die going ‘Rules are rulez’ Nobody else but them would do it.

But you still want us to believe they’re a benign organisation?

And I’m still waiting to find out who these pixies are.

And do you know what, if a country approached the EU and said, people are dying in our hospitals, we’re running out of food and children are starving, what do you think the EU would do?
You do know that this scenario is already happening in many countries all over the world. What tends to happen is charities raise funds and Aid is sent.

Do you think they would say ‘Okay, we’re going to make sure the essentials of life get through to you, we’re going to expedite them through to you’?
Like any good human or benign state would do?

So let me get this straight Bejam, you want to leave the EU but you also want them to save us? I don't know what face to do. or 😂.

Or is my guess wildly wrong?

Nah, it's all about squeezing your eyes shut and emoting really hard. If you emote positively, then everything becomes lovely. If you emote negatively, it makes the world gloomy.

Prettybird

In a Sky News interview (so, not the pesky, supposedly Remain supporting BBC wink) at the Geneva Car Show, the boss of Aston Martin was asked about Brexit scaremongering”

On Sky News too?! So what further proof do you need that its all an elite, left-wing media conspiracy to remain and overturn the will of the people.
What about facts, you say? But don’t they originate from experts and statistics? And we’ve all been told what we should think of experts (which I will be sure to bear in mind should I ever have need of brain surgery and there are no neurologists knocking about. There’ll be a construction worker with a drill, no doubt. It’ll be fine).

Of course people’s fears about the negative consequences for decades to come are based on irrational scaremongering.

They’ve got absolutely bugger all to do with the real motives of those driving the leave campaign and the cynical agenda of certain leading members of the ERG to leave the EU before it’s new financial legislation comes into force on 1st April (funny that), which will lead to hedge and capital management funds and the like being far more exposed to scrutiny in respect of money laundering and tax dodging.

Does anyone still believe that these people lose one moment’s sleep about the very uncertain future of “the people”? They’ve finally got what they’ve been working for for 4 decades and if hundreds of thousands of futures are sacrificed to that, so be it. They’ll be alright Jack.

Bejam - take a look at our export of Brewing Barley - our second biggest crop export - the EU has (shock horror) found another supplier within EU. That isn't project fear, it's how business works. What do you think we provide that they can't provide with 26 countries?

I'm still confused as to why you don't want us to control our boarders? Are we relying on the EU to do that now then?

Of course it’s not, it’s the fucking EU and it’s states. We will not be preventing them from entering.

Yes, you will. It's what border control is all about, isn't it?
They'll need import licenses.
And it's not surprising that radioactive isotopes will need export licenses too.
The UK has decided to stop all free trade, under a no deal Brexit.

"And I’m still waiting to find out who these pixies are."#

Your arguments are crap.

You want to leave the EU, but you want everything to remain the same?

What recourse does a firm selling goods to the UK have to take if they aren't paid, under which law is the contract enforced?

How is the trade regulated? Who makes sure that standards are adhered to?

The UK will protect its internal market, there will be inspections and paper work at the border because of the UK enforcing this.

Are you fucking mental? You honestly believe the UK would sit back and watch people dying because they’re too busy counting fridges on the back of lorries in Dover? You really think any government would sit back on its arse watching people die because rules are rules? There are plans to send airplanes or fast track trucks in case it does happen. Who would be the magic pixies who would stop the drugs getting on those planes and trucks?

The WTO says there is no need for a hard border. Who are the pixies that are going to put that border up? The UK has said it will not do it, ditto the WTO.

BBC bias. I just don't believe much they say anymore.

Brexit is 23 days away. Hoorah.

"Hey mate, here's a tube of radioactive, dose-dependent, highly complex medication - sorry, paperwork not in order and no traceability, but needs must, eh?"

@MissedTheBoatAgain - It is a mess because EU are afraid for UK to leave and hence they have attempted to block UK departure since the referendum in 2016.

Seriously? Are you really that ill-informed? The EU, from day 1, stated that the 4 pillars would not be split up. Therefore, there was never going to a deal that allowed the UK to pick and choose which of the freedoms they wanted and which they didn't. It was all or nothing. Many other deals were possible but Teresa May's red lines precluded them.

Then you add in the good friday agreement. This is an internationally binding agreement that the UK signed up to, and requires no hard border on the island of Ireland. The only way this is possible, is to stay within the customs union and the single market. There is no technological fairy that currently exists that would preclude border checks. Down the road, this may be possible, but not currently.

So there you have it: 1) The EU refuses to give the UK a better deal than member states currently have. 2) The EU supports a member state (Ireland) in demanding the UK comply with the terms of an internationally binding agreement that they signed with Ireland.

This is not the EU blocking the UK from leaving. This is the UK being utterly incompetent and believing that they were somehow special enough that a) the EU would give them whatever deal they wanted and b) an internationally binding agreement didn't really matter because it was only with Ireland and sure, they'll fall in line.

Any other country, other than Ireland, would be able to leave the EU with significantly more ease as they do not have the GFA limiting the type of border they can have.

67chevvyimpala

I’ve never stockpiled anything as I live in a big city with lots of shops. None of them look empty. Plus I have no fear of dying of starvation due to brexit, although I know some remainers have this fear.

And no, I don’t think things will be terrible for 30 years, not at all. But remainers will blame anything bad that happens on us leaving the EU, even if it had absolutely nothing to do with it, they’ll find the most tenuous link and run with it. They’ll do this for years. Or until they get bored.

I had thought that preparations were being made so that serious medical needs will not be affected.

Well, thing is it's not really possible to do that, is it?

Just like every other fucking thing where we're utterly tied in to a very complex set of supply chains, supported by trade deals, regulations, international law, literally hundreds of thousands of existing relationships between individual suppliers and clients...

No you can't really 'prepare' in the sense of 'oh we'll set up something else'.

Especially when the people in charge of the whole thing have shown themselves to be an utter bunch of muppets.

@BejamNostalgia - The WTO says there is no need for a hard border. Who are the pixies that are going to put that border up? The UK has said it will not do it, ditto the WTO.

The WTO says there is no need for a hard border. However, the WTO also says that the same rules must be applied to all so if the UK decide not to have border checks in certain circumstances, they cannot have border checks at all. I know I wouldn't be happy with a free for all with completely unregulated products being waved through at the border.

The Elements I suggest we allow Berjam to transport the isotopes with as little red tape as possible

Aquilla

BBC bias. I just don't believe much they say anymore“

Towards which argument, do you think? (Apologies, you may have said, not time to read all through just now)

The 'Great Brexit Cull' will cut NHS costs massively and give it and the rest of our country a future. All these sick and disabled people are a drain our services which mean genuinely deserving people who look after their health don't get access to services. The survival of the fittest will improve our gene stock and remove the weakest from our population. It will bring the cost of housing and the benefit bill down. It will mean that there will be lots more jobs for British people and wages will increase.

The government will take back control, and anyone who questions this is a traitor to this country and should be treated accordingly. Any protests will be rightly crushed by emergency Brexit powers to ensure that the population behave correctly.

Profits of private healthcare companies will be up which will please shareholders. Especially those ones who happen to also have jobs as members of parliament.

No this isn't what I believe, but yes I think it is what some people in power believe. I find the whole situation utterly terrifying.