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Does this sound like grooming? Please help- step uncle

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Lam23 · 04/03/2019 14:27

Posting for traffic/I’m not sure where else this belongs..
Background if it helps: I’m a mum of a nearly 4 year old. She is very bright, happy, outgoing, completely normal development wise and attends nursery full time. I met dh when she was 2 and they have a great relationship, which has grown over time, i can honestly say I really trust him and she has started to call him daddy which feels natural for us all. Her dad has never been in the picture and we have no contact with him.
I have recently begun to have real worries about her relationship with my dh’s brother. He is 31, unmarried, no kids. Generally quite an immature guy (loves gaming, works minimum wage job and lives in a flat share) but seems pleasant enough since I’ve known him. However, since he met dd at a family gathering probably a year ago, alarm bells are ringing for me more and more and I don’t know if it’s instinct or paranoia. Every time he sees her he picks her ups lot, tickles her, cuddles her, he addresses her as “friend” (seems odd for a 3 year old), he always buys her extravagant presents whenever we see him. She is a trusting kid and I’m beginning to think, too trusting- because of all the positive attention he gives her (and maybe because she lacked a “dad figure” the first couple years of her life?) she absolutely loves him, talks about him loads, nowadays whenever he is there at a family gathering she just wants to go to him and has a tantrum if I say no or keep her next to me. It seems really excessive that she is so into him and that he had instigated this type of relationship with her- dh’s sister, who has kids, has what I would consider a more normal relationship with my dd and is lovely to her but definitely doesn’t push the boundaries. He has now offered to babysit a few times and I refuse point blank each time which I think dh is a little upset by (dh idolises his brother and I can’t talk to him about ANY of this). It happened again yesterday with lots of cuddling, sitting on his knee. My own brothers don’t do this with my dd and I feel like I can’t put a stop to it, but she is so trusting and I don’t know how to protect her. Whenever she needs a male figure she seems to get overly attached anyway, but for me this is going too far. She doesn’t want to be near me or dh when his brother is around, the amount of presents makes me uncomfortable and I feel like the physical stuff in public is a possible first step of grooming. Can anyone please help me understand what to do, it’s a really sensitive situation. Does this sound odd? I would appreciate anyone who knows about signs of grooming etc to weigh in. Do I sound crazy?
Fwiw my mum and sister are both teachers and having witnessed the interactions said that their own instincts were kicking in too and that the developing relationship wasn’t necessarily appropriate/he seemed a little over interested in kids.
Please help, this is stressing me out so much whenever we are around family.

OP posts:
Charley50 · 04/03/2019 16:00

If you're still here, this would ring alarm bells for me too. Any man (yes, man) actually asking to babysit a child would ring alarm bells tbh. No-one in their right mind actively wants to babysit.
Also, the over the top presents seem to be a way of buying her affection.
Your DP needs to understand this.

OpiesOldLady · 04/03/2019 16:01

@Yoga - actually, statistics from the Lucy Faithful foundation say that 40% of sexual abusers are men, 30% are women and the other 30% are made up by older children, both male and female.

sillysmiles · 04/03/2019 16:04

A girlfriend of my brothers once offered to take my niece to the toilet (she also had no kids

I've been on the other end of this where said kid has asked me to take them to the bathroom. I have nieces and nephews but no kids myself -so I'm very used to nothing this for my nieces and nephews and it doesn't bother me. So is it weird when I say "ya sure go on"

AngelaHodgeson · 04/03/2019 16:07

I agree with "trust your instincts". I don't think any of the behaviour you list is odd (my nieces argue over sitting on DBro at times) but if there is something making you uncomfortable, even if you can't put your finger on exactly what, you should go with that instinct.

sillysmiles · 04/03/2019 16:07

On the babysitting thing - is he actively trying to babysit or is he possibly responding to your DH saying about not being able to go out and him saying "I don't mind babysitting if you want a night off".

Again - you have to trust your instincts but your own past may be colouring your view of his behaviour. So proceed to protect your DD but as he hasn't done anything wrong you have to be careful with accusations.

CostanzaG · 04/03/2019 16:07

Wow, even before i had my own kids I would regularly offer to take nieces, nephews, friends kids to the toilet or offer to change nappies etc. There was nothing sinister - I often just though it would be nice to give them a break.
I've babysat for our friends kids and so has DH. That has often involved taking them to the toilet. Nothing untoward, just being nice......I wasn't aware that would be considered weird?

AngelaHodgeson · 04/03/2019 16:09

OpiesOldLady Do you have a link for that data from Lucy Faithfull Foundation? I've had a quick look at their website and can't see it. It is quite at odds which my current understanding so would like to see the research.

CostanzaG · 04/03/2019 16:11

Any man (yes, man) actually asking to babysit a child would ring alarm bells tbh. No-one in their right mind actively wants to babysit.

Really?Charley
My DH babysat my friends daughters the other week. Their dad was stuck at work and we had theater tickets.
When he was single and his sisters had young children he often babysat them. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

What about male childcare workers?

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/03/2019 16:11

It seems as if you cannot talk to your dh so for now if he really cannot get it perhaps you could go with the dd is obsessed with males and you think it best to limit 121 contact with anyone other than him. So not even him and uncle with her alone. Don’t explain just say that you think it’s best.

boringlyboring · 04/03/2019 16:12

Sounds like one of my ex stepdads - the tickling, the games, the over interest. No attempt to even hide it from my mother. He was (is) a fucking paedo.

Boundaries were unclear to me as he was pushed as my ‘dad’, by my mum.

Drum2018 · 04/03/2019 16:14

How often do you see this man? Does he live nearby? I'd be cutting way back on contact. If he then tried to push for contact you'd know that it's a bit off. Go with your instincts. You have no real reason to have to spend much time in his company. If he is at your inlaws house when you visit just ensure dd is always with you and don't stay long. Either that or just don't go to visit them often and let your Dh off to visit.

OpiesOldLady · 04/03/2019 16:15

@Angela - I don't have at the moment unfortunately. I was quoted this by an employee of theirs that taught a safeguarding course. It was in the bumph they gave us too. I'm in the process of moving and all my stuff is in boxes but I'll see if I can find it. I was quite surprised by their stats too - they also say that 1 in every 6 children will have been sexual assaulted in some way by the time they are sixteen. Scary.

DragAndDrop · 04/03/2019 16:16

@Lam23 sh'es your daughter and you are right to protect her. If you don't, who will?

So if you have concerns about this man, or anyone else, act on them.

I do think PPs are just going off piste for the sake of it by picking your words apart. The point is, you're worried for your daughter's safety and you want to sense check your feelings. I don't think anything else is of any consequence really. (putting tin hat on)

I agree with the PP who have urged you to follow your instincts and I'm horrified to read of the experiences of some Flowers to you all.

If your DH won't take you seriously then, for me at least, it would be bye bye DH. NOBODY would come between the safety of my DC.

Good luck OP

Cherry321 · 04/03/2019 16:18

Trust your instincts. 100%

And as a PP said, stop the presents.

DragAndDrop · 04/03/2019 16:20

@boringlyboring I have seen this the tickling, the games, the over interest also, from a person who then went on to make leery remarks about underage girls. I don't know whether they were acted on, I sincerely hope not.

I'd just not want my DD to be in the presence of someone like that at all. Even if they don't do anything, they could be thinking it. Ugh.

clairemcnam · 04/03/2019 16:23

These threads always turn into - poor men. Ignore that OP.
Your first concern is your DD, not a man's feelings.

Lam23 · 04/03/2019 16:24

I would like to cut back the contact just so it doesn’t get escalated further over the course of a few months. She has a lot of positive adults in her life male and female and I don’t mind him being another one but the slightly obsessive nature is bugging me and he isn’t doing anything to moderate it. Dh likes us all to socialise as a family but I’d be happy to leave dd with my family sometimes if we have to see them so much

OP posts:
OpiesOldLady · 04/03/2019 16:24

@Angela - a quick look on the parents protect website states that 30-40% of abuse u's carried out by other children. Am afraid I don't have time right now to dig deep sorry.

clairemcnam · 04/03/2019 16:27

costanxa This man did not say - oh if you are stuck for a babysitter give me a call.
He said - I'd love to babysit your DD.
Yes that is a red flag.

AuntieOxident · 04/03/2019 16:28

Well, he might be a good guy, you don't know. But that's not important really - the thing that is important is that you don't like how he behaves around your DD. And that's good enough.
Even if it was nothing other than vague unease, that is still enough. You're already vigilant so I'm sure you'll continue to be, up to her 18th birthday if necessary!
And if indeed he is a good guy he might be a little hurt but he will understand.

Pics · 04/03/2019 16:29

I don't think that any of the behaviours here would necessarily ring alarm bells, as you say this is how the family behave around children. I also think that your own experience, as a child combined with the fact that your family don't behave in this way may affect your judgement. But as others say, you do have to trust your instinct. But maybe do it without completely rejecting him by treating him in an accusatory manner - as others have said, the present giving is an issue that should have been tackled. Maybe start there - an honest conversation about how you don't want her spoiled, and how it makes you uncomfortable as it is too much. See how he reacts to that. And if you are not letting any of your siblings babysit either, that's pretty easy to just present as the reason why.

I know a few friends who are from families that are very hands on with younger kids in a natural way and I don't think it is fair to say that it is always odd. I think it is sad some people on this thread seem to think it is always a sign of something suspicious.

CostanzaG · 04/03/2019 16:30

I wasn't referring to the Op. There are red flags galore and she does need to trust her instincts.

I was referring those posters who think any man offering to babysit is strange for doing so abs shouldn't be trusted.
It's a small minded view to hold.

Aeroflotgirl · 04/03/2019 16:35

First of all yior dd is only 4, so will be trusting. Trust your instincts always, she needs you to protect her!

MangoPorridge · 04/03/2019 16:35

It may or may not be down to lack of adult male role model. My dad was away a lot and I was very clingy with male teachers. I was always after boys before I even understood what I was doing. I once took off all my clothes at school and had to have it explained to me why it was inappropriate. Honestly though with a mum who looks out out for her as she gets older and talks to her about this stuff she will be absolutely fine. Ask nursery staff to alert you if they have any concerns.

MangoPorridge · 04/03/2019 16:36

I've made myself sound terrible there! It was all innocent and nothing happened!