To think being slim should be normal for most people.

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By slim i mean sizes 8 to 12.

Obviously you get a minority who are not in this range naturally but for 80% of people this size should be natural, say they eat a reasonable diet of between 2000-3000 calories.

Im so sick of people at work making out i am abnormally thin for being a size 10. I watch what I eat but dont deprive myself. The same people making me out to be lucky to be slim eat fried chicken or pizza for lunch and seem to be able to demolish a whole pack of biscuits at 3 o clock.

Aibu to think that the normal human man/woman should be a size 8-12 and that to attain or maintain this does not require super human discipline or strength.

I’m a 12 and fat, BMI is 27.
But I love eating and drinking and couldn’t care less.

I was a super skinny child, teen and young adult and could eat and drink what I liked. Was under a size 8 until late 20’s. Then I got older and eventually fatter. But I am happy.
I genuinely don’t care what size anyone else is-their life, their choices. Why on earth would anyone?

"(I am sure someone said Twiglet though!)"

@wendycope I'm the one who said twiglet, and, as I've previously said, if you actually READ my post you'd get the context and understand that I was not calling your daughter anything. But please continue to conveniently ignore that if it suits your agenda about terrible fat people.

I am the first person who will call someone out for skinny shaming, but no one can argue that it carries the same weight as fat shaming. You will never be denied a job on the basis of your weight. You will never be accused of being lazy/ dirty/ smelly on account of your weight. You will never be called disgusting on account of your weight. You will never have magazine articles devoted to how NOT to be a skinny person. You will never have people frothing at the mouth because Cosmo dared to have a skinny girl on the cover once.

I don't understand how certain posters can tell the op to fuck off and a cunt and not be deleted?

MNHQ?

Plenty of fat shaming on here. But also plenty of thin shaming.

It works both ways.

Dorsetdays im fine someone close died because of it.thankyou though.

I hate how people say to skinny people oh you look anorexic.its a fucking devastating illness NOT SOMEONE GETTING TOO THIN! you don't say to bald peple of you look like a cancer patient on treatment
or people with sligh out of line facial feature of you look like you've had a stroke etc bloody etc why do people aline thinness as a jibe ith a terrible terrible illness.that ILLNESS.its not a word should be used unless you bloody know what it means

You will never be denied a job on the basis of your weight. You will never be accused of being lazy/ dirty/ smelly on account of your weight. You will never be called disgusting on account of your weight. You will never have magazine articles devoted to how NOT to be a skinny person. You will never have people frothing at the mouth because Cosmo dared to have a skinny girl on the cover once.

And yet it's absolutely fine for all of the fat people to call slimmer people 'skinny bitches' or say that op is a cunt or must be so exhausted keeping slim or that slim people are anorexic.

It's all to make themselves feel better, but it's still just showing how cruel they actually are. It does carry the same weight, it's still bullying. Make yourself feel better in different ways, don't cause someone to feel bad about themselves just because you feel like shit. That's horrible.

And in reality, if a slim person smells bad, they still get told. Being overweight isn't an excuse not to shower or to be lazy, but I've seen plenty of people use it as an excuse.

Kateandme. Sorry to hear that

Trendynorthlondonteen. Don’t be stupid, you genuinely think that people who are very thin are not turned down for jobs? On the basis that they ‘might’ have an ED and therefore mental issues and be unreliable or be off sick? You genuinely think that slim people are never called horrible names?

Don’t be silly.

Santaclarita. cross posted there!

I'm a size 12. Sometimes 10 on top. However I'm pretty sure I'm in the overweight section of the BMI.
I eat a balanced healthy diet around 80% of the time. I do have days where it's not but sometimes you want chips or garlic bread!

I drink alcohol one or two days a week but it's pretty minimal these days. I drink water mainly. I exercise on my days off, yoga, combat, spin and resistance/strength. I walk everywhere and do 13 hour work days 3/4 days a week mostly on my feet.

I consider myself pretty healthy but I prob won't ever get much slimmer. I've always been like this. I'd have to eat under 1000 calories I'm sure to be a smaller size and I wouldn't function on that. .

My point is no one is the same, but shaming anyone for their size ( any size) is helpful you really don't know what they have going on.

OP, what age are you?

You sound relatively young

Things change with age, the body wants to hold on to reserves once you hit menopause/middle age

I eat around 2500 cals a day, wear size 14, but have bmi 23, which is a healthy weight (yeah, am an outlier at 6ft)

Who are you to tell me, or anyone, I am not normal?

Why do you think you are allowed to judge other people?

Like I said, I think you are still quite young and inexperienced in life

@Saucy99, isn’t that obesity, i.e., BMI more than 30, rather than just overweight? Also, from that chart it looks like the UK (or maybe just England as England is in brackets or could be just the way non-UK people sometimes refer to the UK) is becoming less obese than ten years ago. It looks like the UK is less obese than Spain according to this chart.

Couldn't be arsed RTFT but seeing as you made an account to come on here, fat shame and then fuck off says a lot. After kids, I haven't been able to get back into my 'normal' size 12 jeans because of how my body seems to have reacted to surgery. Take good judgey goadyness elsewhere.

Ginger. If you’d bothered to RTFT you’d know that actually it was the OP being ‘skinny shamed’ that was the issue here. But don’t let the facts stand in the way of being unecesssrily rude to someone

As a nation we are getting fatter. End of. We can’t just keep moving the goalposts as to what is ‘normal’ as that just masks the problem.

Or should we just apply the same illogical thought to alcohol and cigarettes too? We know they’re bad for us also but if most of the U.K. drink more than the average weekly units shall we just increase that so we don’t feel so bad about ourselves? If most of the U.K. smoked shall we change the advice and say actually it’s ok to smoke 10 a day so we can justify that we’re within ‘normal’ range?

Obesity causes more deaths worldwide than being underweight (which is staggering when you think about it) and costs the NHS millions every year. Our children are fatter than ever. Stop sticking your head in the sand and saying it doesn’t matter.

"Who are you to tell me, or anyone, I am not normal?"

OP hasn't said you're not normal babygrey. She said herself that the dress sizes she's using as a guide don't apply to the very short or very tall.

I can see what you're saying OP, obesity has become normalised.

Not having large breasts so dress size is larger, not post baby/surgery body changes, not disability/illness related weight gain etc- most people could see through that.
Also, most socialised people wouldn't comment in the first place to a larger person about weight incase it was something unavoidable.

But it does often seem socially acceptable to tell someone that is slim that they are 'too skinny'. It's unkind and often said by someone who has issues with their own weight an projecting. There may also be health issues behind someone being smaller.

There will already be some larger people who are healthier than their slimmer counterparts. I have been super slim in my twenties and had no muscle definition, little strength and actually didn't look great naked! I have a friend who is approx a size 26 who is on the go all day, eats well and has no health problems, she also very tall.

In general though, obese people tend to be less healthy. Aside from any illness etc, it can just come down to education around food and exercise at a young age, also positive body image.
If young people only see 'fake bodied' (photoshopped) role models in the model, it may seem unobtainable and push people the other way.

I know as a teen and young adult, I always thought, the skinnier the better. Now in my 30's I'm a little bigger and feel much better in my own skin.

To each their own, as long as your health is the #1 concerns

Bluuuurgh, typos- it's early.

Dorset, if she had come on here and left her OP at that - ie that people were saying she was abnormal I would have replied differently. But to go on and say 'oh and 80% of the population should be like me?' She was rude first.

I am 5ft2 weight 10.5 stone so my BMI is in the overweight category. I am a dress size 12-14, I eat between 1,500-1,600 calories a day, and excercise regularly, like every day. Kickboxing, combat bootcamp, walking, rebound, HIIT. I watch what I eat, but it still comes to that. I bet I am healthier than the person who said that she was a size 8, and eats a pack of doughnuts every day, and the one is a size 6 who says she has a pack of Jaffa cakes in one sitting, and eats a large MacDonalds most days.

You're so right and this is coming from an overweight person.

We werent designed to be overweight and if you look at what a human body is actually supposed to look like (frame.. Shape..) an overweight person doesnt even look normal (myself too)

I imagine i miss out on alot.

I know people say 'I bet I'm healthier than', yes you probably are. But carrying extra fat creates an inherent risk of many conditions. This isn't some made up thing to fat shame.

Ginger. No that’s not rude, it’s correct. Barring medical reasons ie the 20% the OP is right that the remaining 80% should be within the ‘healthy’ range.

Using dress size was a bit misleading because it can be arbitrary but we know what she means in relation to being within a healthy weight range.

It’s not rude to ask when the goalposts moved on that. Because the fact is that medically they haven’t, as a nation we just use it as an excuse ie ‘well the average dress size is above 16 so I’m average’.

All this anecdotal evidence of how I'm overweight and healthy is fine but it doesn't take away from the fact that obesity is the 2nd biggest cause of preventable deaths

Weight is such a difficult thing. It’s extemely stupid and lazy to think it purely down to calories in and out.

Some people can desperately stuff themselves full of calorific food so they feel sick but never see any of those curves they desperately crave. Others eat so little trying to get downto that all hallowed 8-10 they feel constantly sick hungry and light headed.

All the crap we pump our farm animals with, all the stuff we spray over crops, chemicals we use to store food and clean with not to mention the drugs we put into our bodies most commonly to control our fertility or the chemicals we put all over over body to make ourselves more attractive are screwing up our bodies. Gut bacteria often wiped out by antibiotics has a massive effect on metabolism.

Mental health issues can also have dramatic effect on weight as can the medication used to treat them. I would say 50% of the people I know are taking anti depressants that I know about.

We need to stop judging people on weight. Esp doctors who put people off getting help worried about being judged. There’s no help on the nhs as weight is often just attributed to being lazy/greedy etc.

Maybe if we were all a little kinder and less judgemental and put our energies into lifting people up instead of trampling them down the world might just be a bit nicer for everyone.

And in ye good olde recent times when our nation was less obese, most adults smoked.

Bibbitybobbityyhat I often think that everyone was slim when they smoked. All my aunties, my mum and her friends all smoked. They also walked more and lived in flats with no lifts and several flights of stairs.