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Shamima Begum's husband

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yolofish · 03/03/2019 17:55

uk.news.yahoo.com/shamima-begums-husband-made-mistake-144700935.html

Sorry, probs rubbish link, but Shamima Begum's husband would like to return to the Netherlands with his wife and their baby. AIBU to think that the country probably doesnt want the three of them, and that it's a bit late to say he's 'sorry' given that he only surrendered a few weeks ago?

I mean, I can imagine that they'd like a nice quiet domestic life, but this might just be a bit late in the day?

OP posts:
surferjet · 03/03/2019 19:57

We are in a weird paradox where what is considered to be the relatively 'mainstream' left has a million times more hatred for Tommy Robinson than Shamima Begum

It’s always been the same.

Uptheapplesandpears · 03/03/2019 19:58

^Perhaps he could be deported 'back home' ? (

ColeHawlins · 03/03/2019 20:01

Dumping ex convicts on the Irish would not go down well. Not that he doesn't deserve to be ejected.

Lordamighty · 03/03/2019 20:04

Shamima Begum was radicalised not groomed. She actively sought out extremist material online & left of her own free will to join a murderous cult, with full knowledge of what they were doing. From the interviews she has given she still appears to be radicalised. It is not the same as being groomed.

mothertruck3r · 03/03/2019 20:04

But she's 19 now and an adult, still going on about how she thinks the Manchester bombing was justified. How long is the "grooming" victim badge going to stick to her?

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 03/03/2019 20:07

It was Sharmeena Begum the girl who went to Syrian in December 2014 not Shamina begun who went in feb 2015who lost her mother to cancer(lung not breast cance)

If you are going to go all bleeding heart for the women at least get the right one.

Ivegotthree · 03/03/2019 20:07

She is appalling and I don't want her back. I was a rebellious teen with a dead parent. I didn't run abroad and join a murderous death cult. I just smoked some fags and mooched about in black pretending to be a Home Counties goth.

FSS country's gone mad tolerating this vile woman. I hope we don't take in her baby, either. Only one way it's going to turn out.

Ivegotthree · 03/03/2019 20:08

(I know this girl we're talking about DOESN'T have a dead mum, just making the point that all the bleeding heart liberals are wrong).

Justanotherlurker · 03/03/2019 20:09

I have understanding how a 15 yo girl who just lost her mother to breast cancer might fall into the internet and be groomed. My concern is how to prevent it happening again.

The how to prevent it happening again is the thorny issue though.

*On the other hand, a nearly 40yo racist jail bird football hooligan fraudster, I have little time for. The irony being he's a 2nd gen immigrant himself. Perhaps he could be deported 'back home' ? (

Romanov · 03/03/2019 20:09

They won't. He'll get 6 years max and she won't be prosecuted as they have no proof against her and she's already got the sympathy of the press so she will be regarded as a victim who needs our support.

she's got what now? are you reading different reports to everyone else?

ColeHawlins · 03/03/2019 20:13

She is appalling and I don't want her back. I was a rebellious teen with a dead parent. I didn't run abroad and join a murderous death cult.

But we have to put these people somewhere. We can't fire them into space. One country or another will have to deal with them.

Justanotherlurker · 03/03/2019 20:19

It’s always been the same.

It's ramped up a lot in recent years though, as a non relevant example all this talk of russian trolls (that I highlighted, admittedly didn't gain traction).

Reddit the second/third largest website did a route and branch approach with regards to finding and banning Russian troll farms becuase people complained about center right leaning views and subs getting traction, after involvment from the likes of NSA ect it was found they were far more active and far more upvoted. guilded in left leaning subs.

It's becoming nothing more than some weird as shit culture war where you have to abandon reason and just stick to one side, social media was a mistake.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 03/03/2019 20:20

Give them to the Yazidis community if there is one left. Let them decide their fate after all it was their children that were raped and murdered.

Justanotherlurker · 03/03/2019 20:24

But we have to put these people somewhere. We can't fire them into space. One country or another will have to deal with them.

The initial call from the minority view was to follow law, we have followed the law and redacted her British nationality due to dual citizenship. When/if she appeals that decision and it goes to court on a legal aid basis is a different situation.

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 03/03/2019 20:29

Begum's Mother was interviewed several times about her leaving. What made you think she was dead?

A recent piece, that her parents split, she had virtually no contact with her father, she was brought up by Mum and Nan, then mum died in 2013 and she was returned to her fathers care.

My error - wrong girl, similar name - apologies

Sharmeena Begum, who is just 15, travelled to Syria in December less than a year after suffering the trauma of the death of her mother from cancer.

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11472196/Girl-15-fled-to-Islamic-State-after-mother-died-from-cancer.html]]

MrsTerryPratcett · 03/03/2019 20:29

I don't have any sympathy for them. However, citizenship is an important thing and this blase attitude to removing it is shocking. I've never heard anyone suggest that repulsive white Christian British citizens should have their citizenship removed.

Did the foreign fighters in the Spanish civil war have theirs removed? The ex-forces who go to be security for some dodgy people in the Middle East and Africa? It comes across as people thinking that the citizenship of Muslim people of colour is somehow worth less. And that is very worrying.

Lock them up for their crimes, that's right and proper. But talking about removing citizenship is a slippery slope. Even arseholes get basic human rights or they are worth nothing.

mothertruck3r · 03/03/2019 20:29

she's got what now? are you reading different reports to everyone else?

I've read at least two different opinion pieces in The Guardian alone defending her.

Uptheapplesandpears · 03/03/2019 20:33

Our legal system doesn't really make provision for people going abroad to join jihadis, particularly non-combatants. That needs to be urgently addressed. I read that Australia have made a law that bars their citizens from the caliphate area, it's an offence to travel there. We should look at doing the same.

Justanotherlurker · 03/03/2019 20:35

Not that I'd wish him on the Irish. He took actions that I personally think were aimed at securing the collapse of a trial of a load of sex offenders, so he could make political capital from a load of Muslims getting off on a technicality. Never mind that a load of rapists would be free to walk the streets. Hating him is a pretty legitimate response to that kind of behaviour...

I agree with this overall theme and I don't like him myself, it's a weird stopped clock is right twice a day scenario, people are dismissing why he has such a large following because of the subject matter and brushing over the nuances of why he initially gained such notoriety.

His panodrama doc on youtube is admittedly a hack piece but eye opening to see culture war etc.

RepealTheGRA · 03/03/2019 20:35

I've read at least two different opinion pieces in The Guardian alone defending her.

The guardian is batshit insane.

mothertruck3r · 03/03/2019 20:36

and this blase attitude to removing it is shocking

It's not blase to remove the citizenship of someone who has joined a terrorist organization. It's probably one of the very few instances in which such an extreme decision is actually enacted and she will get to appeal it. If being a member of a terrorist organization shouldn't be a case for removing citizenship, under what circumstances do you think it would be justified? Our country is actually very fucking fair considering she has basically committed treason and there are thousands of ISIS returnees in the country, yet their right to freedom trumps the rights of everyone else to be safe. Our laws can't get much "fairer" than that.

MrsTerryPratcett · 03/03/2019 20:39

Did the IRA get theirs removed?

If not, why not?

If being a member of a terrorist organization shouldn't be a case for removing citizenship, under what circumstances do you think it would be justified?

I don't think citizenship should be removed ever. Well, possibly if someone egregiously lied to get it.

mothertruck3r · 03/03/2019 20:43

It comes across as people thinking that the citizenship of Muslim people of colour is somehow worth less. And that is very worrying.

Labour MP John McDonnell suggested in 2014 that Brits fighting in the Israeli army should be stripped of their British Citizenship and most of them are presumably white Jews. No cries of racism about this at the time though, in fact absolute silence from the left...

HermioneWeasley · 03/03/2019 20:46

If they don’t die where they are and make it back to U.K./Netherlands, they should be tried for treason and executed. It would still be more merciful than what they did to the Syrian and yazidi people. Baby can be adopted

MrsTerryPratcett · 03/03/2019 20:47

Labour MP John McDonnell suggested in 2014 that Brits fighting in the Israeli army should be stripped of their British Citizenship and most of them are presumably white Jews.

Did that happen? Nope? Then it's not the same. And FYI I would have been just as pissed off had I known about that. I am firmly of the opinion that citizenship removal should not be a criminal justice 'sentence'. In fact I'd argue that his suggestion is part of the same issue. In his case anti-Semitism, in this case racism.