Shamima Begum's husband

[yolofish]

uk.news.yahoo.com/shamima-begums-husband-made-mistake-144700935.html

Sorry, probs rubbish link, but Shamima Begum's husband would like to return to the Netherlands with his wife and their baby. AIBU to think that the country probably doesnt want the three of them, and that it's a bit late to say he's 'sorry' given that he only surrendered a few weeks ago?

I mean, I can imagine that they'd like a nice quiet domestic life, but this might just be a bit late in the day?

if you leave your country, where you hold citizenship and join a terrorist group/ army etc that attacks the country that you are a citizen of, you should be considered a traitor or an enemy of the state/country
by all means fuck off and play terrorist but if you decide you need the trappings of western civilization once you get tired of playing in the mud, tough shit, its life in prison you should be facing or a locked door at the airport and a return to sender stamped on your forehead... you wanna be there so bad, stay!
just because they are over the "fun" of being a terrorist doesnt make the pain that the victims of the bombings and terror attacks magically go away, the dead and now disabled peoples lives that have been ruined dont magically return to normal so neither should theirs

So what if this was the other way on: Syrian teenager leaves her country and is raped by British man who then marries her. She takes part in atrocities against this country.

Syrian authorities refuse to have her, and tell the UK to deal with it.

She was radicalised on our soil; it is most definitely our problem.

Making someone stateless most definitely is illegal, as one of our most senior human rights lawyers recently confirmed on Radio 4 and here:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/shamima-begum-dual-citizenship-statelessness-15857772.amp

Quote: Barrister David Anderson QC, who previously served as the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said: "Those born as British citizens who are not dual nationals cannot be stripped of their citizenship in any circumstances."

She never had Bangladeshi citizenship- was eligible to apply because her parents are, but they are under no obligation to accept her and certainly not him.

The government has shown with this case as with the Windrush scandal that they have zero qualms with illegal deportation/human rights violations against their own citizens. The precedent has now been set for such illegal actions, including the public's seal of approval. As the wife of an Asian person on round 2 of an extremely precarious visa application it is terrifying.

*pledges allegiance to an organization commiting atrocities in this country, thay should read.

*Also Dutch man. Need coffee.

The SDF holding her say they have evidence of her involvement in genocide and war crimes

@BejamNostalgia I hadn't heard about this and can't seem to find anything online - do you have a link please?

whynot, that is not my understand,. She has definitely not been rendered stateless. Even the lawyer the guardian produced did not say she was. Case law has shown as she is unde 21 she is Bangladeshi. If Bangladesh does not like that's just tough. They are not allowed to render her stateless.

puzzled, it’s been reported in French newspapers. The only UK source to pick up on it is the Daily Star, which obviously isn’t very credible. But the source himself, David Otto, is a terrorism expert and a reliable source.

Thanks very much, Bejam - I'll take a look (luckily I speak and read French!!)

Another Brit has had his citizenship revoked. I believe it was the brummy doctor (struck off for being dodgy) who ran off to ‘help’ with his wife and kids (yes you really do take the missus and kids to a war zone).

Another Brit has had his citizenship revoked. I believe it was the brummy doctor (struck off for being dodgy) who ran off to ‘help’ with his wife and kids (yes you really do take the missus and kids to a war zone).

Mr "I just happened to be doing my neutral humanitarian work in an ISIS hospital"? If so, good.

That’s the one. He admits fighting and carries a gun - but that’s just to stich wounds and dispense asprin. Boy is he whinging. But as a commentator on the news said (something along the lines) ‘I’ve never known a humanitarian aid worker pick up a gun’.

I liked what Yago Riedijk said. He expressed Regret and is contrite. I didn't hear him making excuses, only offering explanations. He's ready to serve his sentence. He doesn't talk up what Islamic State wanted to do; he says they were wrong & that he personally gained nothing from the experience. But he's trying to take responsibility for helping his child & wife.

I have no idea if that baby would be best off in Netherlands. It's hard to believe the child could ever live an ordinary life unless given official anonymity/new identity.

The child will be cared for. Unlike the children murdered by these creatures.

A bit conscious I may have OP-ed and appeared to bugger off... but really I dont know what to say? I'm not sure I agree with lljkk first para, but certainly do with the second one: I have no idea if that baby would be best off in Netherlands. It's hard to believe the child could ever live an ordinary life unless given official anonymity/new identity.

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One of the things that really worries me about this, is that the remanents of ISIS are killing the witnesses. The last place they were driven out of 50 decapitated Yazidi sex slaves were found there.

It’s not like the Nazis where plans were made and their were documents, proof, witnesses of the Wannasee Conference. How are we going to get justice for these girls if we take them back and just shrug and say ‘Well we can’t prove anything’.

A lot of Shamima’s UK supporters have been shouting racism about her citizenship, but actually I think the worst racists in this case are people who want to ignore explain away all the little brown girls boys and girls who were raped, enslaved and murdered or displaced and the parents who had to watch their children die as well as facing death themselves.

Bangladesh has a decent legal system and is tough on extremism, she belongs in a Bangladeshi jail. The second best option would be jail here, but I honestly don’t trust our politicians to protect people from her ATM.

But to bring her back and give her a comfortable life and treat her as a victim is absolutely insulting to those ISIS tortured and killed.

If they don’t die where they are and make it back to U.K./Netherlands, they should be tried for treason and executed.

How is that going to happen, when neither country has the death penalty?

She has been stripped of her nationality - I agree! - but how does that work when no-one in the world can be left stateless?

Bangladesh (where her mother comes from) doesn't want her either. And why should they? She's never been there.

They all need to be tried in the country they fucked up. And if it takes 10 - 20 years, so be it.

They all made their choice to do what they did. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

Only the children born into that clusterfuck, to coin a phrase, are innocent in my view.

I liked what Yago Riedijk said. He expressed Regret and is contrite. I didn't hear him making excuses, only offering explanations. He's ready to serve his sentence.

Oh, purlease! Regret And Contrite, my fuck. He's just a fucking good actor. (Now is The most important role in his life!).

Would you excuse a 23-year-old who had sexual relationships with your 15-year-old daughter?! This is no different. It's ILLEGAL!

IS State was never nowhere anywhere any time recognised as a legitimate state.

I can't believe you are defending these people!!

His 6-year sentence is only for running away to join IS.

She has been stripped of her nationality - I agree! - but how does that work when no-one in the world can be left stateless?

She’s not stateless. She has Bangladeshi citizenship and that is absolutely irrefutable. A recent court case and legally binding agreements between the UK and Bangladesh have confirmed that the children of Bangladeshi born parents are Bangladeshi citizens until they’re 21.

She thought she only had British Citizenship and we couldn’t take it away, that’s why she thought she could get away with being such an objectionable little twat in her earlier interviews. She thought she could come over here and spout her poison sowing discord and division. But she can’t. Because she’s not half as clever as she thinks she is.

Bangladesh (where her mother comes from) doesn't want her either. And why should they? She's never been there.

Because international law says that’s where she is a citizen. It’s not been confirmed she’d never been there. A Bangladeshi politician said she hadn’t but he didn’t seem to be very clued up and made several factual errors in the same interview, so not reliable facts. It’s her Dad in Pakistan BTW.

They all need to be tried in the country they fucked up. And if it takes 10 - 20 years, so be it.

The countries don’t want to do that. They’re being held by Kurds rather than a state so there really isn’t an infrastructure to do it anyway. They just want the foreign fighters gone.

I watched (possibly read but I think watched) something a while ago which detailed the secret codes and records that morticians in Raqqa used to quietly document Daesh atrocities.

It was incredibly touching, not just because of the risks that they ran but because it demonstrated faith that the rule of law would come.

Does anybody know what it is I'm thinking of? (Probably a documentary.)

that’s why she thought she could get away with being such an objectionable little twat in her earlier interviews.

That's what I thought.