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AIBU - Weird subconscious behaviour when women are out for dinner together - AIBU?

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Mazes · 02/03/2019 16:16

I was out for dinner yesterday evening with four female friends (were all early 40s). No problem whatsoever with ordering the cocktails, but when it came to ordering from the food menu, one friend chimed in first with the, “I’m just going to go for a salad” and, as always happens, everyone else followed suit with the salads. Does anyone else find this or is it just me? One friend did ask for some fries “for the table” but then everybody just looked at them until they got taken away. I’m not on a diet and nor is anyone else as far as I can tell so why does this happen? Then when it came to dessert orders, there was an uncomfortable silence before everyone declined, of course. Then we had a pot of mint tea. Nobody ate the bread either. It was my turn to pay and I felt like the actual “food” part of the menu was there for decoration only.
AIBU to think this kind of behaviour goes on a lot without women even realising they’re doing it? It’s as if it’s fine to knock back 3 cocktails, but nobody eats a chip!

OP posts:
nocoolnamesleft · 03/03/2019 00:30

We egg each other on to proper food and a dessert, thanks.

SurgeHopper · 03/03/2019 00:50

I often order wine with lunch which my friends don't tend to do much - other than that I eat what I please.

mamaduckbone · 03/03/2019 00:51

Last time I went for dinner with my friends we ordered one of everything from the tapas menu. Maybe you need new friends?

SlinkyDinkyDoo · 03/03/2019 00:53

No not with my friends.

Greekyoghurt83 · 03/03/2019 00:57

Yes definitely. I hate it and I remember going out with a large group and being the only one who dared to order any carbs or alcohol. Competitiveness at its dullest , life is far too short.

Fumnudge · 03/03/2019 00:57

I accompanied my mother to a dinner dance, the whole table of women 'food shamed' each other. 'oh you've eaten loads, well done, I couldn't eat that much'. 'oh no, I mainly ate vegetables, you've done really well, you ate all those potatoes' 'oh I only had two'.
So stupid and nasty, all slim and in their 70s. I really was shocked and saddened.

PregnantSea · 03/03/2019 01:21

This has never happened to me before. Good food with good company is a big part of my social life. I wouldn't say I actively avoid people who don't enjoy their food, but I haven't ended up with any friends like this so maybe it's subconscious?

MayLeaveADentInYourSofa · 03/03/2019 01:26

With my closest friends this never happens. We are more on the lines of "can we do starter AND dessert... hell yeah".

But with colleagues and people I don't know so well this definitely happens. I met with a group of work acquaintances this week for lunch and I was last to order my food. Everyone had ordered a salad and I felt obliged to follow suit.

I rebelled by being the only one not drinking water, though.

stayathomer · 03/03/2019 01:26

No dessert?!?!?!

Motoko · 03/03/2019 01:43

I'm glad SW London wasn't like this when I lived there. My school mum friends and I had no problems eating.

But it was more working class then.

stopgap · 03/03/2019 02:51

If I meet friends for lunch, I’m likelier to have salad as I don’t like a massive amount of food in the middle of the day. I expect salads to be laced with avocados, olives, fennel etc.—not just a few leaves and cucumber.

Out to dinner, I’ll eat whatever I fancy. Last night I had melted goat cheese with rind on, followed by venison, then butterscotch pudding. Tonight I went out and had chilli calamari and glazed cod with mushrooms and turnips. No dessert, as I didn’t feel like it.

The minute you see food as something to be feared, is the minute you develop a problem relationship with food.

Ce7913 · 03/03/2019 03:17

'Virtue signalling competitive non-eating' is a brilliant descriptor, and it's beyond tedious.

...Quite frankly, OP, I find the idea of a group of women ordering food - the production of which consumed fossil fuels, land, water etc. - only for everyone to watch it until it was taken away untouched in some bizarre ritual of self- and mutual-abnegation and one-upmanship to be utterly fucking ridiculous. I mean, embarrassingly so.

The described vapid, affected hysteria at the notion of chicken pie (gasp!) is the icing on the (uneaten) cake - I don't know how you tolerate it.

That said, I often order salads or other vegetable preparations. But I don't say, "I'll just have the salad", I'll just say, "I'll have the salad". I'm a vegetarian, and although I do aim to eat largely for nutrition instead of entertainment, I enjoy salads and vegetables and whatnot.

Plus if it's an on-the-fly plan, quite a few of the quick table/bistro places pretty much have salad, chips or roast vegetables cross-contaminated with roast meat (nope!) as the sole 'vegetarian' options. So sometimes it just works out that way.

I'd be horrified though if I discovered that a lunch companion felt shamed out of eating something she wanted by my choices.

If someone ordered a cheesecake and it looked really well-made, I'd order one myself and be aaaallllll up in it.

I do know people who constantly titter on about how 'naughty' they're being, or how 'guilty' they feel, or how 'bad' something is.

I'm just sitting there thinking, "Bitch, it's a Tim Tam, not fucking crack cocaine".

I've had more than one adult do this in front of my little niece or younger sister, and I give them the verbal smackdown right quick. I'll be damned if I'll allow anyone to infect my girls with that toxic nonsense.

Which is all to say that I'd struggle to enjoy the company of a group of women who spent the meal self-consciously policing my - and their - intake in service to absurd patriarchal tropes of femininity... We all know the song (or at least a verse or two):

Valuable woman = woman who is desirable to the majority of teh menz and makes them feel big and strong and manly-like
Desirable woman = super 'feminine'
Super feminine = among other things, dainty/delicate waif

(Four years ago, my partner's mother, who is in her mid-fifties, said to me, quite seriously, that she would happily take ten years off her life in exchange for the ability to eat whatever she wanted from now on without gaining weight. Four years and I'm still grappling with just how bleak that is.)

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 03/03/2019 05:49

I must admit I am on a diet right now, but I've always had a rule that if a social outing is planned (I.e. dinner with friends) then it would be rude to allow my diet to have an impact on the social ritual of sharing food (because it DOES have an impact on some people). Instead I'll have a relatively small breakfast/lunch and 'save' my daily alloted calorie intake for dinner - or just say sod it for that one day and get back on it the next day Grin

squeekums · 03/03/2019 06:15

Screw that shit for a joke

If i want the chips and cheesy pasta thats what i order. Be a cold day in hell the day i order a salad as meal and dont touch the chips

SoyDora · 03/03/2019 06:27

But this does seem to be all around

Yet so many people on here have said it’s not something they’ve been ever encountered, which you haven’t acknowledged?
When I go out to eat with my friends we all order whatever we fancy. If one is watching their weight they’ll have a low cal option, but this in no way influences what everyone else orders. If I offer cake and champagne at a birthday party, my friends have cake and champagne (unless driving). If I offered biscuits or cake, they’d be eaten.
What do you think about the fact that so many people are saying it’s not normal behaviour and doesn’t happen amongst their groups of friends?

Igotthemheavyboobs · 03/03/2019 06:34

The only time this would happen in my friend group is if we were eating in cafe rouge. But that is only because the ceaser salad in there is the only dish most of us will eat in there (we are an awkward/fussy bunch)

Oh and there would be extra salads ordered in Miller and Carter, I'm there for the steak but I'm staying for the salad wedges mmmmmmm Grin

Bluntness100 · 03/03/2019 06:39

I have one friend who is like this, she will order a starter as a main, or even order nothing, ie wee are on holiday, we go away quite often, and go for dinner and she will say she's not eating, and she's clearly hungry, and then. Eats everyone else's.

Another friend who has known her longer said we just need to ignore the behaviour and order enough sides for the table, so she has something to eat and she always financially chips in at the end.

Thr rest of us order what we fancy, and are now a bit more turf protective over our meals, and she is now starting to order proper meals and eat them, but she has an eating disorder. Her husband is the same, and as much as we love them it can be very difficult having dinner with them. They get that hungry dog look and stare at your food.

The rest of us order whatever we fancy, steak, burgers, pudding, starters, but at the beginning people did what they did and said oh ok let's just skip dinner or lunch, then my husband and I just started saying oh we are off for dinner, see you later, and now everyone follows us.

sighrollseyes · 03/03/2019 06:41

Next time you go out why don't you order a massive steak and chips and dessert and forget what they order!

StarlightLady · 03/03/2019 06:43

New friends required. Diet at home, fun when out!

SoyDora · 03/03/2019 06:44

If I was a waitress and a group of people laughed when I read out ‘chicken pie’ I’d think they were insane.

Tumbleweed101 · 03/03/2019 07:09

Nope. We all have whatever we fancy.

Margot33 · 03/03/2019 07:13

Since I've hit a certain age I find that I have to eat more salads and less bread, to stay the same size. I think your group of friends are just making good choices. I like salads anyway. If I m offered biscuits I would never eat them now, because I'm limited to one treat a day. So I'd be saving it for my favourite treat.

MsTSwift · 03/03/2019 07:32

Yes of course as you get older you have to be more careful it’s right to eat healthily etc but I would imagine for most of us eating out isn’t something we do that regularly for me I guess around twice a month max poss less rather than weekly. So when I’m eating out I jolly well want to have a nice time and my normal self imposed “rules” are disapplied

Last time we saw in laws we met in a pub for Sunday lunch and mil repeatedly food shamed my 10 and 12 year old (both slim) dds. “Ohhh an adult portion!” “You surely won’t eat all that” “a pudding too” on and on. Deeply annoying.

SoyDora · 03/03/2019 07:40

My mum often says ‘ooh I couldn’t possibly eat all that’, maybe it’s a generational thing.

snapcrap · 03/03/2019 07:57
  1. I often order salads because salad/veg is literally my favourite meal
  2. I live in a vair middle class London area and honestly have never experienced this competitive salad ordering. With a group of friends one or two may be on a diet, no biggie, it's not commented on because it doesn't matter. We order 72 gallons of wine and 8 billion plates 'for the table'.
  3. I honestly could not care less what anyone eats and I don't care what anyone thinks of my choice