To think this cafe needs to rethink their message to customers?

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Seen this on Facebook today from a cafe -

So we are a dog friendly cafe which is completely acceptable by health and safety as long as the dogs don’t cook your food or enter the kitchen 😡 so don’t give us a hard time if you don’t like dogs because we like dogs better than humans - note don’t give Vicky a hard time over happy dogs because Vicky will always defend the dogs

Now I have a bit of a fear of dogs and wouldn't expect to see one in a cafe and I'd be a bit pissed off if I paid good money for food and drink only to be bollocked by "Vicky" if I didn't like a dog in my face AIBU to think it's not a good message to tell your paying customers that they come second to another species?

This is one of my bugbears!
I have no problem with dogs, I’ve had my own but I cannot for the life of me understand the hygiene level of this. Even the cleanest and well kept of dogs will have hair and that hair will float around and land in food. The dogs move around and shake their bodies, resulting in hair flying around all over your food!
I love dogs I do, but why is it the avid dog lovers that defend these cafes get so irrate about other people not appreciating having dogs running around the place!
I’ve even had a woman in a public outdoor place get annoyed with me because I didn’t want her dog jumping on me 🤨 and then proceeded to tell me that unless I have a real fear for them I should get over it! I don’t have a fear of them but I don’t like the flying hairs or slobbering tongues. It’s not the dogs it’s the owners attitudes these days I have a problem with.

Over the last 5 years increasing numbers of cafes in our area have become dog friendly. I'm not a big fan so generally avoid them, but there is clearly a good demand for them. It's a smart business decision for a lot of places.
Vicky sounds like a lunatic, though.

YANBU
I wouldn't go there because of Vicky.

Fadingawayagain, I have never been to a café or restaurant that allows dogs and seen any dogs "running around". They have all be laying quietly, usually under the table of their owner.

I have also never had any fur or hair floating around on my food or in my drink.

When I have been to cat cafes I have never had any cat fur on my food and drink either. I went to one last week and 2 cheeky cats decided they liked the look of my food and got on the table. Me and DH just laughed and our food still remained hair free!

YABVU. You now know that the cafe is full of dogs and that it is run by an aggressive nutter. Now you know to go to any other cafe on the planet, rather than that one...

Speaking as a retired lecturer, I say again THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A DAFT QUESTION!

I have never minded question which was basic, or which showed (as you put it) a desire to educate oneself - but questions which show that the person asking them hasn't bothered to think, or to take notice of what has been said already, can be absolutely teeth-edgingly stupid!

Luna thought the dog looked like a pit bull (it didn't). It was suggested that she google some images. One poster even posted couple of images showing an English bull terrier (almost always white, perhaps with one or two black patches, long oval, egg-shaped head, Roman nose, small very dark, triangular eyes, narrow jaw, prick ears) and a pit bull terrier (almost always a colour, triangular head - massively broad at the brow narrowing towards the nose and with solid, muscular cheeks, distinct stop (ie where the muzzle ends and the "face" begins is obvious), round, usually pale eyes, soft, floppy ears(unless in USA, where they may be cropped to a point).

The two breeds are not remotely similar.

Luna then came back with "I've looked at the pictures and I can't see any difference and they both have "bull" in their name" I mean - really? A Plummer terrier looks more like a (very small) pitbull than an English Bully does - and it's a ratter (and it doesn't have "bull" in it's name!)

They are called "bull terriers" because they were originally bred to bait bulls for "sport". Pit bull terriers were so-called because they were moved on from bull-baiting to fighting and bred bigger and bigger because the extra weight gave them an advantage (smaller, nimbler dogs fared better agains bulls). They are not bad-natured dogs (on the contrary - they tend to be very sweet-natured and have to be trained to fight), but they are powerful. This is the only similarity - they are very muscular dogs without an ounce of spare flesh on them.

I'm really sad that is the attitude of someone engaged in educating young people. Your disdain for those students really shines through in your comments... ha ha ha ha !

There, that's disdain!

In a classroom that laughter gets swallowed; a patient tone is chosen, discarded and a normal speaking tone selected; facial expresion checked for neutrality, if 'interested' cannot be achieved and, having double checked all of those, your sanity, the expresion on the student who asked face, the expressions on all other student faces you calmly give a reasoned and informative response.

All the time you are looking for the other studetns to make a move - the 'daft question asker' must be protected against the mirth of its classmates too!

Back of your mind you are triple/quadruple checking everything above, just in case something slips through and student tells parents who demand you are sacked!

Example of a daft question? OK... but beware, many other posters may add their own favourites: A lesson about the double circulatory system, basic session, just name the blood vessels capillary to capillary, GCSE/ A Level recap: venules, veins, etc all the way through to arterioles.

20 minutes in, diagrams done and dusted; details added according to what they can remember, almost finished collating their data on the white board before moving on to gaseous diffusion and Bingo! a hand goes up don't rise to it, they have been told often enough, just catch my eye and ask "Miss" no... don't go there "Is it OK if I colour the veins in purple, my blue pen doesn't work?"

And start at the very beginning... swallow the giggle, check your face....

These were 19/20 year olds, at the start of a degree in physiology!

Tell me why that isn't a daft question and how YOU would have hidden your mirth?

I bet your lectures went on a bit SP.

As a dog lover, her attitude would be put off. She sounds a bit of a bunny boiler. I try to avoid all people with extreme views.

I hate to disagree a bit Schaden but the modern Bully wasn't bred to do anything other than look unusual and to be a gentleman's companion. They were supposed to look 'capable' and be prize winning show dogs!

thebullterrierclub.org/history/

It's predecessor was The Bull and Terrier breed, they were bred to be pit dogs, they had slightly different mixes of old english bull dog etc.

Sorry, I found all that fascinating when I was researching my stubborn cuddle machine!

They sound like absolute twats and I wouldn’t ever go there with a dog or otherwise.

The phrase “fur babies” in itself is enough to keep me away, to be honest.

"Is it OK if I colour the veins in purple, my blue pen doesn't work?" I remember one of cleverest girls in my A Level Physics class ask the teacher if she could take a new page - he did not hide his smirk - how could you? - but I see some teachers seem to get really upset over very small presentation issues in my kid's GCSE exercise books - double underlining, taking a new page or sometime no taking a new page, wrong coloured pen etc and I can see how kids can be conditioned to rely on the teacher to tell them how to organise their books - sometimes it feels like the presentation is more important than the content.

LaFreaka The smirk is often most successfully hidden when you do remember that school's ain't what they used to be "when I was a kid" - I taught A levels too, so saw the GCSE hangover at first hand!

But a daft question is still a daft question - no matter what it's genesis!

the modern Bully wasn't bred to do anything other than look unusual and to be a gentleman's companion. They were supposed to look 'capable' and be prize winning show dogs!

Thank you Samphire - I'm always happy to be educated. I have to admit I know little about English bulls, but I have had four lovely staffies! It was the staffies that were in my mind when I was posting. I do know that for some reason film makers etc always seem to pick an English Bull terrier to play "Bullseye" in Oliver Twist, even though the real Bullseye would have been closer to a staffie or a victorian bulldog type. (Not remotely enraged by this uniquely obviously! )

I would say that the English bull terrier fulfils its remit (look unusual and to be a gentleman's companion) to a tee!

*iniquity, not uniquely

I love dogs and have no problem with them being in cafés, but this Vicky sounds ridiculously OTT about it. And the whole 'we prefer dogs to people' message is pathetic. People are the paying customers.

It was Oliver Twist that had me hooked, that and The Incredible Journey

You're right, the Bully hadn't been bred in Twist's time but hey! Bullseye was lovely, as was Bodger

@SchadenfreudePersonified Thank you , couldn't have put it better myself.
So can't understand Lunas logic in this ...
And the fact she kept telling me to calm down when in my opinion I was completely calm and just called her a little daft , because she was .
Doesn't take much for people to become angry on here .
Fingers crossed Luna will now know an English bully and a pit ball are not the same dog .

@SchadenfreudePersonified referring to your 2.13 post .

So don't go there, OP, it is quite simple really.

Our local cafe has a sign saying "Dogs welcome with well behaved owners".

I guess its time for mumsnet weekly dog thread is it? Op, she is making it very clear that people who dont like dogs wont like her cafe so dont go to the cafe. Simple. Did this really require a post on AIBU?

Also i cant stop laughing at lunas posts. Even after you had been shown pictures you are adamant they they look alike? I highly doubt you actually even googled images. Don't even get me started on the "attrative dogs" part of her post

I haven’t read all posts. But as others have said...if you don’t like dogs don’t go. It’s simple. Though the part from her Facebook page is strange. But each to their own!

We have cafe restuarant and pubs by us and we live in what is described as a well to do area.I love it and regularly take my dog.Why won't i she part of my family

I like the idea of a dog welcoming cafe.

Vicky sounds mental though.