To wonder why Sajid Jarvis was so quick to remove Shamima Begum’s British nationality

[MrsSchadenfreude]

But has done nothing about removing Asma Assad’s? Asma Assad is a dual British-Syrian National, so why not deprive her (and her kids) of British nationality? I can’t quite believe that the government hasn’ Done this. Why on Earth not?

I don't think the govt will bother. They're already washing their hands off them, even if it's legal or not, meaning Syrian Kurdish forces are left in the lurch when they are in the middle of a civil war even without ISIS involvement in the region.

They'll eventually have to be released because Syria hasn't been in a fit state to prosecute for the last 8 years and I don't see an end to it either. So, even if it's legal or not, revoking citizenship does nothing but build up resentment towards the West.

I have to say I’m rather amused by all this now.

Shamima was obviously under the impression that we had no choice but to take her back. Her initial interviews were clearly intended to cause as much offence and upset as possible. She was obviously intending to follow the same path that Anjem Choudhary, Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada and Omar Bakr have trodden before. Loudly and publicly advocating extremism and refusing to renounce ISIS to deliberately sow suspicion and create distrust between communities and influence more people to follow extremism. All supported by the usual useful idiots on the left with their heads stuck in the sand.

She’s completely cocked it up though, the silly cow. No wonder she’s suddenly had a huge change of heart and is begging to be allowed to change. If she meant that why didn’t she say it in the first place? She’s only saying that because she knows she doesn’t have an automatic right to come her. She’s hoisted herself by her own petard.

Madcat Syria has handed a few prisoners to Iraq who’s put them in prison for life. Other high profile ones have been handed ones over to the USA. Eventually Syria may decide enough is enough and just shoot them.

What we actually need is war crime courts and investigations but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

I’m really sick of excuses being made, but but it’s not their fault, there’s no evidence. These people went to join a cult who doesn’t hide its violent agenda. Actions should have consequences with out people screaming you’re all racist bigots ( and in my case adding the insult that I’m under my husbands thumb when I confirmed my dual citizen husband agreed SB should have her UK citizenship stripped ).

“All supported by the usual useful idiots on the left with their heads stuck in the sand”.

Yep

who can argue with a poster named sentimentally after a frozen food chain?

Oh, and her latest interview: she now claims her son is sick and needs to come to the UK to be treated. The family’s lawyer has said he is prepared to go to Syria and bring the child back with him. Shamima is saying she will not allow her son to come to Britain unless she is allowed in too. She’s basically using her son’s life as a bargaining chip. She is prepared to let her son die in order to attempt to blackmail her way back in here.

Nice.

Oi. Bejam’s were fucking great before Kerry Katona and her bloody prawn ring came along.

“She is prepared to let her son die in order to attempt to blackmail her way back in here”

Yep. In her position I’d be wanting my child out of there. Not a good mother.

As for the family lawyer, well people need to read up on him themselves. Hopefully he will stop
Out there.

What we actually need is war crime courts and investigations but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

Well this would be the ideal scenario and I would wonder if there could be a special tribunal as there was post Yugoslavian War. I think it’s legally complicated by the fact that so many different factions have been involved and not all of them would recognise the court, especially Assad.

It does worry me though, because there have been crimes committed against humanity by ISIS, and it does seem at the moment that they are going to just kill anyone who could bear witness against them so they get away with it.

So, even if it's legal or not, revoking citizenship does nothing but build up resentment towards the West.

It means that even if she is released she can't rock up at an embassy and be helped back to the UK where she probably wouldn't be prosecuted. Whatever the cons (I don't think it is fair on Bangladesh) you can't argue that "it achieves nothing"

“It does worry me though, because there have been crimes committed against humanity by ISIS, and it does seem at the moment that they are going to just kill anyone who could bear witness against them so they get away with it”

I agree with you it’s a hugh problem. Although saying that the Nazi guards did the same at the end of the war. Hurrying as many people in the gas chamber before running away. I read a very harrowing report of a child aged 4 being burnt alive On an open fire as the allies advanced. According to many people on MB that’s anecdotal so doesn’t count.

Of course there’s also a lot of evidence that a lot of war criminals went undetected until years later. The usual hand wringing morons argued it was long ago so bless he’s in his 80s let him off. It disgusts me.

For that reason, I’d like to see membership of ISIS as a crime in itself making all members accessories to the bloodshed.

They really need to start treating these as war crimes.

Excellent post Bejam

Of course there’s also a lot of evidence that a lot of war criminals went undetected until years later. The usual hand wringing morons argued it was long ago so bless he’s in his 80s let him off. It disgusts me.

And me - they've had 80 prosperous years at the expense on many innocent lives. Thereshould be no statute of limitations on these crimes.

They aren't ours to forgive - only the people and the families who suffered these horrors are in a position to forgive them - and they can't.

“For that reason, I’d like to see membership of ISIS as a crime in itself making all members accessories to the bloodshed.

@They really need to start treating these as war crimes.

Excellent post Bejam”

I agree but I thought it was already a crime i.e. joinining a proscribed terrorist organisation”.

Oi. Bejam’s were fucking great before Kerry Katona and her bloody prawn ring came along.

Surely only as Iceland? I imagine Kerry was a child when the Bejam sign was over the door.

But I’m so old I may have misremembered.

I agree but I thought it was already a crime i.e. joinining a proscribed terrorist organisation”

It must be virtually impossible to prosecute them via that law because only about 1 in 10 returning Jihadists have been prosecuted.

Dungeon, the ‘1 in 10 jihadis not prosecuted’ headline that was around a few days ago was really quite misleading.

400 people of ‘national security concern’ have returned from Syria and Iraq and 40 have been prosecuted. There has been no breakdown of who they fought for, many may have been with the Kurds, some may not have been involved in atrocities or fighting.

What we do know is that there have been prosecutions for joining or trying to join ISIS.

Shad the dead can’t forgive because they aren’t here to do so. Anecdotal evidence again but it’s relevant. A woman was raped by numerous men in Africa at the same time as her 5 year old daughter who she couldn’t protect. She held her hand during the act, and her daughter stopped crying and laid there with dead eyes. The little girl died 5 days later. Years ago, our glorious allies advanced upon Berlin and came across a group of German refuges. Depite a German soldier and a German priest trying to protect a 12 year old girl, they took her behind a tank and raped and tortured her. Hours later she staggered out and died in the arms of the German soldier. Nobody was prosecuted in both cases.

Look I can go on and on. The difference is is that’s there is far to many people making excuses. They got away with it then and far more are still getting away with it now. The Home Offices first priority should be protecting the residents of the UK.

What we do know is that there have been prosecutions for joining or trying to join ISIS.

We know that there have been prosecutions if there is evidence of fighting, beheading or other video evidence of criminal activity but I don't think that we know there have been prosecutions for joining or trying to join ISIS in the absence of other evidence of criminal activity.

Saturdaynext @ 22.34 yesterday. I mentioned my DH because he has dual citizenship so his view is very pertinent, not because I defer to men. He thinks she should be stripped of uk citizenship. Is that ok with you or am I not allowed to ask his opinion because I’m white and have a vagina.

Exactly Michael

They can't, relatives may be able to, but choose not to. Who am I to say what they should do?

WhatI am saying is hat no-one who has not personally experienced the pain of these criminals' actions, can forgive them, because none of us have the right.

I think perhaps we are on the same sideMichael, but have got a crossed wire.

TalkinPeece

@Ah joy, so you are just bigoted against anybody "other"

Bet you voted leave as well”

Who are you talking to. Who are these human beings you consider as other. You need to look in the mirror because you’re projecting your bigotry on other people.

Brassneck your “shrug” attire to the racist murder of Stephen Lawrence is disgraceful. Disgusting.

For that reason, I’d like to see membership of ISIS as a crime in itself

Wouldnt disagree with this

Brasneck your shrug opinion not attire.