To wonder why Sajid Jarvis was so quick to remove Shamima Begum’s British nationality

[MrsSchadenfreude]

But has done nothing about removing Asma Assad’s? Asma Assad is a dual British-Syrian National, so why not deprive her (and her kids) of British nationality? I can’t quite believe that the government hasn’ Done this. Why on Earth not?

I don't think she would need a visa if she is with a parent who has a Bangladesh passport

They do and her parent would provide the proof.
"Bangladeshi origin foreign citizens, their spouses and their offspring may be issued visa on arrival, on the proof of their being Bangladeshi origin"

Source

I didn’t read anything prior to yesterday about her father being in Bangladesh. What I did read before yesterday was a lot of people saying that she shouldn’t be sent to Bangladesh because she hadn’t been there and knew nobody there.

She certainly has family she knows well there. It’s plausible but very unlikely that she’s not visited given her father is there.

It’s almost impossible that she isn’t fluent in Sylhet. Both her parents’ first language is Sylhet and like most children in the same situation in that area, English will be her second language.

Okay, I stand corrected on the visa part but a flick through her passport would show a NVR stamp. She may have taken her sister's passport to go to Turkey but that was for her to not get caught by Turkey. She did have a passport but I think there was a notice that she'd try to fly out to Syria.

but a flick through her passport would show a NVR stamp if she went there*

madcat, that is the consulate of Bangladesh in Los Angeles, it’s giving advice for US citizenship.

NVR is for UK residents, no visa required, this is the UK site.

bhclondon.org.uk/nvr-first-time

None of that makes much difference anyway, because it’s almost certain she’s legally a Bangladeshi citizen and not a British one, regardless of whether she’s been there or not.

Has her mum remarried and her husband adopted her, they talk about her parents but where does her father live, who are the baby's legal grandparents, I'm getting confused.

The whole point of an NVR is that it’s not stamped. You get it before you go and then you never need a visa or a stamp regardless of whether you’ve been there or not.

Bangladesh haven’t commented on whether or not she’s been there before, nor has she, her family, her lawyer or the UK government. At the moment nobody seems to know or they’re not saying. I suspect that means she probably has, because otherwise it would be in her interest to mention she hadn’t been there.

It only came up as relevant because one the arguments for her coming here were that she was not a Bangladeshi citizen, knew nobody there and had never been there. And we know the first two are definitely wrong now.

But if Bangladesh refuses to grant her citizenship, which I thought it already had, then what?

Do we actually know what her citizenship status is? If her older sister is a British Citizen, presumably she is too?

The whole point of an NVR is that it’s not stamped. You get it before you go and then you never need a visa or a stamp regardless of whether you’ve been there or not.

Bangladesh haven’t commented on whether or not she’s been there before, nor has she, her family, her lawyer or the UK government.

“Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen. She is a British citizen by birth and has never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh,” Masudur Rahman, the Director General (external publicity) of the Foreign Ministry of Bangladesh, said in a press release tonight.

“It may also be mentioned that she never visited Bangladesh in the past despite her parental lineage. So, there is no question of her being allowed to enter into Bangladesh,” the press release said.

“The Government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that she has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship shared with Bangladesh alongside her birthplace, the United Kingdom,” it added.

www.thedailystar.net/country/news/shamima-wont-be-allowed-enter-bangladesh-foreign-ministry-1705225

Of course, the citizenship part is contentious but they have said she's not been there and surely would know so if she's had to apply for the NVR as she'd be on the system having applied for it.

wiggly, the father is a Dutch jihadi who is in jail held by the Kurds in Syria. Shamima’s mother (Gran 1) is in London along with her sister.

Shamima’s father (Grandad 1) splits his time between GB and Bangladesh. It’s not clear if Grandparents 1 are divorced. Grandad 1 has another wife in Bangladesh but polygamy is legal there so that doesn’t mean he is legally divorced from his first wife.

The second set of Grandparents are in the Netherlands. Apparently they are middle class comfortably wealthy people as is their daughter.

Bold fail. My posts starts from the quote from Bangladesh.

bertrand

As i said earlier if javid has revoked her citizenship she must have been a citizen

Otherwise he would just have said

"Well she isnt a British citizen anyway"

I didn’t know they had denied she’d been there. But all the expert legal comment I can find on the case says that the rest of that statement is completely false, so I’m not entirely convinced that the statement she hasn’t visited is reliable either.

“As i said earlier if javid has revoked her citizenship she must have been a citizen

Otherwise he would just have said

"Well she isnt a British citizen anyway"”

Good point.

*But if Bangladesh refuses to grant her citizenship, which I thought it already had, then what?

Do we actually know what her citizenship status is? If her older sister is a British Citizen, presumably she is too?*

To revoke her citizenship, she'd have to have a passport? I think she took her sister's passport as there was a travel ban on her passport.

“I think she took her sister's passport as there was a travel ban on her passport.”

Do we know what for?

So she wouldn't go to Syria.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/27/five-girls-barred-from-travel-same-school-three-teenagers-syria-bethnal-green-academy

The courts barred 5 girls who were at risk from going to go to Syria. This is the same school that Bethnal Green trio went to including the similarly named Sharmeena so.. it's not a bad guess to think she was one of the five since the counter-terrorism police knew about her radicalisation

I didn’t know they had denied she’d been there. But all the expert legal comment I can find on the case says that the rest of that statement is completely false, so I’m not entirely convinced that the statement she hasn’t visited is reliable either.

Could you provide the link?

Passports are irrelevant. They’re just ID/travel documents. There are a few UK citizens who’ve never had a passport - and a frightening number of (parochial) Americans who’ve never bothered, for example.

What matters is how the law operates on the person’s behalf. As I understand it SB is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen because of her parents citizenship of Bangladesh - and that may in fact not even matter, though the answer isn’t obviously available.

I know that the Bangladeshi government has said she’s not their citizen, but on this one I’m willing to go with an assumption that the UK government’s lawyers, and the immigration specialists I’ve read in the media, are right.

There was a case recently that was quite similar and the family appealed and won

The law can be a weird beastie

So even if Javid and those legal experts are completely correct...no idea what the courts will do

There was a case recently that was quite similar and the family appealed and won

Did that not concern people over 21 who hadn’t applied for Bangladeshi citizenship, the automatic right lapsing at 21?

kissing

I dont think so

Might have done though as it didn't mention the womans age

I still stand by the courts do weird things though

Found her age kissing

She was 27, so that's obviously how they did it

Indeed they do!

Indeed the courts do weird things, I meant!