To wonder why Sajid Jarvis was so quick to remove Shamima Begum’s British nationality

[MrsSchadenfreude]

But has done nothing about removing Asma Assad’s? Asma Assad is a dual British-Syrian National, so why not deprive her (and her kids) of British nationality? I can’t quite believe that the government hasn’ Done this. Why on Earth not?

If you've researched me, Bejam, you won't have got very far as you have no idea what names I've used on MN. And I suspect the same applies to many of the people you've been wasting your time trying exercise your powers of detection on.

kissing

Its fine

I'm being a tease

Rufus.. I don't know what to say. Omission is the greatest lie. It's what people don't say, who they don't support. Who they don't stick up for/express sympathy for.

It's also a massive lack of general life experience and also just plain old open thinking.

Rufus I've seen you on loads of threads and you always strike me as a reasonable person even if I haven't always agreed with you.

Thankfully corybn and his ilk are finally exposed as the disengenious nasty fuckers they truly are.

bud

I understand the point you are making

Ive enjoyed your posts on here...again don't agree with everything but have nodded along

Whatever part her uncle played, there's no evidence at all that he and her mother encouraged her to run away

Well, no, there wouldn't be, seeing that her mother had been suffering from lung cancer for some time and died a year before she left.

Rufus I've seen you on loads of threads

Oh wait

That sounds bad

Thank you Rufus.

Seeing as how this thread has developed - but not between me and you, I mean - you worried me that I might have appeared generally antsy. Which I’m not - honest!

Oh god no kissing you've been more than reasonable on here

I just thought it was funny

Sorry I worried you

Thanks. I enjoyed that 🍷. Is there any left in the bottle?

I can't stand this guy, he implements short term policies
which make him look good and are going to be a ball ache in 5 years time.

The tfl fare freezes yet huge investment they are making plus annual pay rises for the drivers. Where is the comeny coming from if there isn't an inflationary rise each year?

Saturday

Then why, in interviews, did SB say she wanted to speak to/ had spoken to her mother?

The Home Office has written to her 'parents' and asked them to pass on the letter to their daughter.

Are we talking about the same girl?

*Then why, in interviews, did SB say she wanted to speak to/ had spoken to her mother?

The Home Office has written to her 'parents' and asked them to pass on the letter to their daughter.

Are we talking about the same girl?*

It seems there have been middlemen in their communications. She got to call her mother, thanks to The Times reporter and I imagine some official at the camp she's gave her letter to her. It was probably scanned and sent by email to the camp and printed

@Thymeout

There seems to be confusion.

ShaMIMA Begum is the one on the news. Her mother is alive. She has an older sister and used her sisters passport.

ShaMEEMA Begum is the one not on the news. Her mother died when she was young. She's an only child. She left shortly before Shamima and went to the same school

ITN reporter Rohit Kachroo showed her the letter in his interview with her I think. Doubt the camp has the facilities to deal with individual legal admin.

It’s another girl called Sharmeena Begum whose mother is dead. She was in the stronghold with the fighters still according to Shamima (who praised their strength and bravery for staying.). That area was emptied today though, who knows where she is now.

Amira Abase is the one whose father went before a parliamentary commission and blamed the police for his daughter going and actually received an apology. Then a few days later lots of pictures and material showed up of the father at extremist events. Alongside one of Lee Rigby’s murdered.

Yes, Sharmeena*.

If you've researched me, Bejam, you won't have got very far as you have no idea what names I've used on MN. And I suspect the same applies to many of the people you've been wasting your time trying exercise your powers of detection on.

I haven’t got a bloody clue who you are, I don’t remember ever seeing your name before or interacting with you on this or any other thread, so I think you need to get over your sense of self importance.

rufus and bertrand have been on here years.

You know perfectly well that none of that will happen. If she comes back she will be held in custody and put on trial. And, given that no posters on here are currently saying "Ah bless it wasn't her fault" they won't be saying that in future.

Again, go and look up ‘Operation Constrain’ which is the preparations for returning jihadists. It includes plans for jihadis to jump social housing queues and get extra help with health and jobs.

There’s also no guarantee that she would be prosecuted, many who return aren’t.

Bejam, if you talk darkly about using AS to research the posting history of unnamed people who don't agree with your views, you must expect potential targets to respond.

As for accusing others of self-importance - the irony meter is spinning wildly.

Operation Constrain relates to known extremists who cannot be jailed and provides for them to be given support and monitored as part of efforts to prevent further terror attacks. The idea is that it will be much easier to monitor them if the government houses them than if they are left to disappear back under the radar.

Shamima Begum isn't in that category because there are offences for which she could be charged and, potentially, jailed, as indeed a number of people have pointed out on this thread.

Again, go and look up ‘Operation Constrain’ which is the preparations for returning jihadists. It includes plans for jihadis to jump social housing queues and get extra help with health and jobs.

Thanks Bejam, interesting about Operation Constrain, though it’s not clear that social benefits are inevitably or even probably on offer to returning jihadists.

But even if they were, isn’t it better that we de-radicalise jihadis than just punish them?

That’s not to say we shouldn’t tag them, take children away, socially condemn etc, but we try to rehabilitate all sorts of offenders, because it’s humane, productive and cost effective.

I’m not a bleeding heart liberal! I just think we need to do the best we can, not just the most satisfying of vengeful on the spur of the moment.

Interestingly the press have now tracked down her father who is living in Bangladesh and has done for at least part of the year since before Shamima was born. It sounds like Shamima might have far stronger links to Bangladesh than has previously been thought.

I feel a bit sorry for her Dad. He sounds genuinely upset and bewildered about how his daughter has come to this.

Bejam Thanks for clearing that up. I referred to SB on the post Saturday quoted. Not sure why she thought I meant the other girl who isn't the subject under discussion.

*Interestingly the press have now tracked down her father who is living in Bangladesh and has done for at least part of the year since before Shamima was born. It sounds like Shamima might have far stronger links to Bangladesh than has previously been thought.

I feel a bit sorry for her Dad. He sounds genuinely upset and bewildered about how his daughter has come to this*

It's never been a secret that her Dad's been living there so I don't get the "stronger part". He's been living there ever since marrying his second wife. So her family could argue that the father and daughter aren't as close as they would be if he was living with her.