Schools method of discipline AIBU

[Ninjafox]

Not sure if I'm being precious but I'm sure I'll be told either way now. Found out today that DC's school discipline naughty children by sending them to another class to sit on a chair.

My thoughts are this is worse than a telling off as they are actively showing the other children 'look at this naughty child' and humiliating them. This happens as young as reception. At least if they are sent to the head they get a telling off and that's more or less the end of it. It feels a bit like the village stocks or a public flogging. AIBU to think this is a bit off? For reference the school is in a really good catchment and the naughty kids of whom I know a few seem quite mildly naughty tbh.

I happens in the school I work in as TA. It's never a first option, there are two warnings, then a move within the room then a move to another class. Unfortunately by then that child has already significantly disrupted the class and they really need to move them out so that the rest of the pupils can begin learning. It's a practical solution to a problem.

Parking kids is totally usual in the majority of schools. If this is taking place it is a sign that the teacher CAN control the class, they are taking control of the class by removing a disruptive influence and allowing that student to calm down while continuing to teach the rest. It is usually a last resort after warnings and other sanctions (e.g. name on board, moving seats, removal of a privilege) have been tried.
Usually this would be followed up by a discussion with the teacher and possibly a sanction such as detention (depending on the age of the student).

What was the child doing that resulted in this punishment?
What would you suggest the teacher should do if there is a student continuing to disrupt the class after multiple warnings?

Public flogging? Jesus wept, how ridiculously OTT! If a child is stopping others learning, I send them out to whoever is on the rota. Do you think the teacher should spend half the lesson prioritising a disruptive child or cajoling better behaviour? Because that's so wrong.

No OP, this is common way of classroom management. Child is given verbal warning and if behaviour continues they are told to go and sit and work in another classroom. This happened to my DS the other day and he fully deserved it! I’m not a teacher either but I have worked in PRUs where children excluded from schools often attend. One fairly common trait was parents who openly criticised the school or the teachers or the school rules. Their children learned to disrespect the teachers and disregard the rules. I don’t know if the OP voiced her disagreement of the school’s discipline in front of her child. I sincerely hope not. It is important to show support (even when you don’t feel it).

It's fairly common when the child has been given reminders and warnings, if they have exhausted all the in class sanctions such as the zone board then it's usually the next step. It removes them from the situation and lets others learn without disruption.

they are actively showing the other children 'look at this naughty child' and humiliating them.

The other children already know who the naughty child is. When a child is sent out of the classroom. Its an opportunity to help them calm down. Some schools provide a pretty and calm space.

There's always home schooling and your little angel will never have to hear the word NO again.

Not a teacher either.

Ninja, we don’t use the word naughty any more, what sort of dinosaur are you? Challenging...spirited...needing to channel that negative energy into positive pathways...reflective thinking time...
There are usually several steps before being sent to another class, each one with its own vocabulary to enable the child to understand why it’s happening, and what the next step will be if the behaviour continues. Verbal warning, name moving, reflective time in class...then out you go to let others enjoy their learning without you.
But some little people just seem to enjoy the journey sometimes.

What would you suggest in place of it, OP?

I will own up to being a teacher-actually a Head teacher! Pupils are sent to me as a last resort and usually involving physical violence. Generalised disruption in the class is dealt with by parking, usually to the class of a member of SLT. The children in any receiving class are usually very good at simply ignoring the disruptive child, they have their own work to do and get on with it! The disruptive child has the opportunity to just get on with their work without having to "back down" in front of their classmates. So in pretty much every case, the initial class can get on with their work, the disruptive child can do their work without losing face, the class teacher can do what they are paid to do ( teach) and I dont have a revolving door of children in and out for relatively minor infringements to the school day. I'm the big guns!

If you have multiple children and you are all watching a film together in the living room, what do you do to the child who won't shut up and let everyone else enjoy the movie?

You warn, warn again and then send them to their rooms. At least in the case of schools, the child goes to a supervised room.

Give it a few years and the complaint will be that other children are being told not to play with the disruptive influence by nasty mummies.

I wouldn’t like it.

At DD’s school they had a time out space where kids could go if they needed a breather. Far better than sending them to another class.

Not sure if I'm being precious
Yep.

No, I’m not a teacher. Perfectly acceptable to remove the destructive little darling so the the rest of the class can learn. Nothing at all like Stocks or flogging.

"Some interesting opinions, I do wonder if you're teachers? I would just assume in a pretty well to do catchment, where the teacher has a few LSAs on hand to help, that they would need to send a reception age child to another class for support? Feels like the teacher can't control a class tbh"

What exactly do you propose instead? It’s the school equivalent of not giving tantrums attention. Why should a teacher (or LSA) take time away from those who want to learn to deal with a pupil who has already had numerous warnings?

I am a teacher. A bloody good one.

You are that parent 🙄

Reception children can either be a delight, or a total nightmare. Kids who have never been told no and allowed to do whatever they want, really struggle to behave in anything approaching an acceptable manner at school. After 6 months most have calmed down.

To emphasise RECEPTION age. With 2 LSAs in class and parent helpers. Teacher is not alone having to battle it out here.

No my child isn't unruly, if anything is the complete opposite (review from the teacher not us, in fact I would say DC is better behaved at school than home tbh).

Feels like the teacher can't control a class tbh

OP, why don't you go & give teaching a class of 30 a go? Then come back and tell us how you get on.

I’ve taught in very posh areas with Uber M/C families, and in very impoverished areas. The former usually have far more trouble dealing with the idea of little Pancreatitis being told off or disciplined than the latter.

I'm a teacher, albeit a secondary one. I imagine it works just as well for primary.

Students who can't behave and are interrupting the learning of 29 others in the room, are removed and sent to another class. They don't like it and often the threat of it is enough to diffuse a situation. It is never on a first offense. I have sent students to other classes and I have accepted misbehaving students into my class. The teachers work it out between themselves. The headteacher really has better things to do.

The teacher is in perfect control. She has removed the problem and learning is continuing as planned.

You sound like hard work OP. Maybe concentrate on why your DC is misbehaving to the point they are being removed from the classroom.

I would say DC is better behaved at school than home
I wonder why

'Where the teachers have a few LSA's on hand to help.'
I disagree that the LSA should be used in this way.
As a parent of non-disruptive children, I am very much in favour of punishments for disruptive behaviour which don't involve using all of the class resources that are supposed to be there to benefit all the children, not just one.

A great example of the classic:

OP: AIBU?
MN: Yes.
OP: No, I'm not!

Ahh, in this ever-changing world of ours it's nice to know that some things remain constant.

in fact I would say DC is better behaved at school than home tbh

Maybe that's because there are consequences for negative behaviour at school.

Even with LSAs the child may need to be elsewhere. In reception children sit on the 'thinking spot'. This may be in the next door class. The LSAs will have other, learning based interventions to do