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The people of Swindon: do they regret voting for Brexit?

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EddyF · 18/02/2019 19:07

With the closure of Honda - closing their Swindon plant, with the loss of 3,500 jobs, which the firm has attributed to Brexit, I wonder if the people of Swindon are having regrets since they were from the leave camp.

Reminds me of those who voted for Trump knowing his policies were targeted at them but felt they somehow were exempt. Like the Mexican man and his US wife voting for Trump then crying on the news he had been deported/couldn't get back in when he was out of the country.

I'm finding it really difficult sympathising with those who voted to leave by not looking at their own circumstances, but rather, other people. Majority of the people I have heard from who voted leave (from fb, and so on) they only cared about immigration. They thought leaving meant a 'clear up' taking hardly into account their own future and that of their children.

I'm sorry to the people in Swindon, but they did it to themselves.

And before people say "there wasn't enough information" there was enough to determine that we did not know what the 'deal' was.

I can't link article for Honda but it's everywhere on news sites.

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Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:39

Despite being a remainer, there is no way we can not leave now, no way we can have another vote etc, because if we do, the democratic foundation of our country will be damaged forever.

How can it be democratic to have another vote? When -

  • 1.4 million young people who couldn't vote before are now of voting age
  • we now know a lot more what the choices involve whereas before it was all possibilities.
  • the last vote had some seriously dodgy funding which is being investigated.

How can more democracy be undemocratic? If people still want to jump off a cliff they will vote again to do so. If they don't, then shouldn't we check?

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:40

undemocratic

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 15:40

if we do, the democratic foundation of our country will be damaged forever.

Will be?

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 15:43

1.4 million young people who couldn't vote before are now of voting age]
sigh. how many times? This is the case in every single election.

steppemum · 19/02/2019 15:43

because voting again now, (if it were to come out remain, which is not certain anyway) is like spitting in the face of the millions who voted leave.

It would destroy democracy, because all those who voted leave would feel, yet again as if their opinion and their view was not listened to, was not heard and has been trampled over.

We are in this mess because milllions of people were ignored by successive governments based in South East.

I am a staunch remainer, but I think the country woudl fall apart if there was another vote.

steppemum · 19/02/2019 15:45

the 1.4 million young people is such a red herring. Of course there are, just as there are fewer old people, as some have died since 2016.

Shall we just revote every 12 months until the democratic balance has changed enough for you?

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:47

But none of us actually knew what we were voting for as there was no pre -preparation or negotiations.

It is all slightly nuts.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 15:47

Steppemum I think the only fair way would be to revote on everything every day to make sure nobody misses out.

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:47

I do think 1.4 million is quite a sizeable number of people who have not been consulted about their future.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 15:50

littlespaces and would re do it again for all the 3 year olds that have missed the vote?
It makes no sense whatsoever, there will be a population of eligible voters at any given time for any vote.
To say that makes it unfair is ridiculous

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 15:53

The illegalities committed by certain Leave factions make it unfair, But I'm old-fashioned that way.

nauticant · 19/02/2019 15:53

I don't think voting Leave to bring back the post-war economic boom is the way to go. Argue for Leave, but do it looking forwards rather than backwards.

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:55

Why? It is a massive number of young people who will have to live with the decision for a long time. They are not 3 year olds, they are 18 - 20 and who knows which way they would vote?

If it were 500 people I would agree with you, but 1.4 million is huge.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 15:57

why? really?? You can't see that there has to be a cut off piunt or it would be chaos? You really can't see that?

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 15:59

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/leave-to-remain-the-voters-who-have-changed-their-minds-over-brexit

People have changed minds both ways.
People who have now passed away voted last time.
1.4 million are eligible who couldn't vote last time.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 16:01

littlespaces and?
People are born/die/change their minds/ get put in prison/ are sectioned all the time. Millions of them.
Doesn't mean you can keep rerunning votes

emilybrontescorsett · 19/02/2019 16:01

I'm still in utter puzzlement that people actually believed the lies and propaganda spewed out by politicians.
Of course politicians lie. Who in their right mind believed that millions of extra ponds would be spent on the nhs? Seriously. If I could have placed a bet on that I would have become a very rich woman.
You might as well believe me when I tell you the moon really is made of cheese. Seriously it is, Wensleydale cheese on fact.

Littlespaces · 19/02/2019 16:02

I think it is important when the information last time was so poor.

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 16:07

I'm still in utter puzzlement that people actually believed the lies and propaganda spewed out by politicians.

In Ireland where referendums are more commonly held there is a referendum commission which holds politicians to account and ensures both sides are given equal representation. Lies aren't allowed to stand.

Saying 'lol all politicians lie' doesn't really cut it I'm afraid.

Quietrebel · 19/02/2019 16:11

littlespaces and would re do it again for all the 3 year olds that have missed the vote?

YES! That is why we have general elections every 5 years and not every century.

TalkinPeece · 19/02/2019 16:12

Those who think a vote should never be re-run
clearly do not understand that General Elections and Council elections are redone every couple of years
because the UK is a DEMOCRACY

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 16:15

talkinpeece yes, I'm aware of how democracy works. That's why it's a teeny bit important that a vote isn't ignored because some people didn't like the result

AnotherRandomMale · 19/02/2019 16:18

EU sign a Japanese trade agreement removing 10% import tarrif on Japanese cars. EU countries enact a raft of anti-diesel legislation (outright bans in some cities) hitting sales & future need for diesel engines made in Swindon. EU plans to phase out diesel and then petrol cars entirely. Japan signs agreements with a host of Asian & Australasian countries incrementally withdrawing vehicle tarrifs, favouring global manufacturing shift back to Japan...

...and some people point blame & throw insults at people who voted leave as a result - and we are the fucking thick ones? Hilarious.

Quietrebel · 19/02/2019 16:18

themoomoo

It's NOT been ignored! We've talked of nothing else in the last 3 years and it has cost us £80billions ! I would not call that ignoring the vote!

Skirmisher · 19/02/2019 16:18

And yet you're not concerned by the illegalities committed by the Leave side, more info on which seems to emerge by the week?

How very curious.