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The people of Swindon: do they regret voting for Brexit?

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EddyF · 18/02/2019 19:07

With the closure of Honda - closing their Swindon plant, with the loss of 3,500 jobs, which the firm has attributed to Brexit, I wonder if the people of Swindon are having regrets since they were from the leave camp.

Reminds me of those who voted for Trump knowing his policies were targeted at them but felt they somehow were exempt. Like the Mexican man and his US wife voting for Trump then crying on the news he had been deported/couldn't get back in when he was out of the country.

I'm finding it really difficult sympathising with those who voted to leave by not looking at their own circumstances, but rather, other people. Majority of the people I have heard from who voted leave (from fb, and so on) they only cared about immigration. They thought leaving meant a 'clear up' taking hardly into account their own future and that of their children.

I'm sorry to the people in Swindon, but they did it to themselves.

And before people say "there wasn't enough information" there was enough to determine that we did not know what the 'deal' was.

I can't link article for Honda but it's everywhere on news sites.

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redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 · 19/02/2019 11:50

@littlemissquiet

I think to call leavers thick is just condescending! I voted remain but I'm growing tired of extreme remainers labelling leavers thick or racist! You will find any problem and blame brexit but this country was in trouble way before this, yes there is now uncertainty but nobody really knows for sure what is going to happen!

I don't consider people wanting stricter borders racist, otherwise we could argue the whole of Australia are because of how they control theirs. I do think that you extreme remain camp patronise and belittle leavers at every given opportunity, I voted remain plain and simply because I wasn't convinced of what was being promised, but I would never talk down to someone else that voted differently or call them thick and racist, you sound thick saying that and very narrow minded because like all of us we don't know how this is going to pan out, one day you may well be thankful for brexit?

Brilliant post. If I could like it or thank it a 1000 X over I would.

The 'extreme remainers' are a fucking nightmare. I generally tend to ignore them though. I can see they are bitter, angry, or scared. Sometimes all 3. And some of them are more 'thick' and 'clueless' than any leave voter.... Wink

@surferjet

I know most remainers won’t leave the UK, even the extreme ones, because they know where they’re better off.

Empty vessels & all that.

This x 100 ^

I have heard so many people whingeing about Brexit, saying they will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead (which it will!)

Will they fuck?! They know which side their bread is buttered.

Their histrionics and straw man arguments do keep me entertained though. Grin

ScreamingValenta · 19/02/2019 11:59

I wonder if the people of Swindon are having regrets since they were from the leave camp.

That's like saying "I wonder if the people of the UK are having regrets since they were from the leave camp" - i.e. totally ignoring everyone who voted remain. Swindon's leave majority was 54% - hardly a landslide.

Laiste · 19/02/2019 12:06

Brexit, BOTH 'sides', and everything to do with it bring out the worst traits in people.

This thread is rotten.

Helmetbymidnight · 19/02/2019 12:09

I have heard so many people whingeing about Brexit, saying they will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead (which it will!)

i genuinely haven't seen or heard that.

ive heard lots of brexiteers telling remainers and foreigners and black people to leave though - where do you think we should all go?

whats an extreme remainer? can you try to explain?

Aenn · 19/02/2019 12:16

This is a horrible thread. The electorate were totally mislead over Brexit and it is unfolding as a complete nightmare for all of us. I don’t blame the people of Swindon, any of them. Politics is a filthy business.

MissLanesAmericanCousin · 19/02/2019 12:16

themoomoo, I am genuinely bewildered by the fact that you don't think the CEO of a company would lie? Have you never worked at a company before? Or held down a job at all? Have you always believed what the suits or the brass tell you? I find this so odd. I knew at 19 that my bosses were not completely honest with their employees in the trenches. How can you not know this?

Smileasifyourheartisbreaking · 19/02/2019 12:20

red glad you are having such fun. Come back in a couple of months and tell us all you are enjoying the job losses of others

nauticant · 19/02/2019 12:22

I have heard so many people whingeing about Brexit, saying they will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead (which it will!)

The only people I know who said this will be leaving this year once they've sold their house. They didn't want to leave but Brexit caused one of their employers to relocate to elsewhere in the EU.

Smileasifyourheartisbreaking · 19/02/2019 12:28

I'd be very surprised if red ever spent time listening to this hard core remainers who planned to quit their own country

I don't know any that have even said it. After all where can we all go? There will be no FOM

Fantastic counterproductive statement

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/02/2019 12:32

I do think Brexit is the last straw

Again i agree

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 19/02/2019 12:35

Whist my family and I will try our best to make the best of this F up that we didn't vote for I can categorically state I will never be thankful for Brexit. Not ever.

steppemum · 19/02/2019 12:38

I voted remain, and for a long time I was very angry with people who voted leave.
I understood the frustration etc, and do not think that it was from racist etc motives, but I do think that the information put out was wrong, and people were massively misinformed and fell for it. That bloody bus. I am also still angry with the politicians who I feel promoted Brexit for their own ends.

BUT if the Brexiters (Boris Johnson et al) had stepped forward and really gone for it, really sold a vision of Britain outside of Europe and really thrown themselves into negotiating it, we would not be in the mess we are in now.
As a country our politicians have really shafted us.

Added to which, there really is no going back.
Despite being a remainer, there is no way we can not leave now, no way we can have another vote etc, because if we do, the democratic foundation of our country will be damaged forever.

I feel as if the country is crashing into a disaster, it is like watching a slow motion car crash, unabel to do anything. But that is primarily because of Brexit, but rather because of how it has been handled

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/02/2019 12:43

I think some people have said they will leave

And they are leaving...or have left

Ive never said i would leave...been told to leave (the general 'you') a number of times now

Beansandcoffee · 19/02/2019 12:44

Brexit has meant that we have failed to improve this country, education, NHS, crime etc etc etc for the last 2 years. I’m sick of it and it must be putting youngsters off politics, democracy, voting etc. Come end of March Mrs May will resign and it all starts again. Our elected representatives have failed us 100%. And have yet again divided us, Rich/poor/in/out/working/benefits/etc etc. We still have low wages to the extent that people in full time jobs have to claim tax credits to live, we have food banks, period poverty, etc.

Smileasifyourheartisbreaking · 19/02/2019 12:46

Those that may have left had to for their jobs. Or could because of their jobs. Or nationality

I live in a heavily remain city. I know no one who has left or plans to apart from EU citizens. Who didn't have a vote

Justanotherlurker · 19/02/2019 12:47

I have heard so many people whingeing about Brexit, saying they will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead (which it will!)

Its the same people who said they would leave when the Tories won in 2010, there is no way of verifying if they did or didn't on an anonymous forum. Anybody can say anything, if significant numbers leave then it will be highlighted in figures further down the road.

Pomegranatepompom · 19/02/2019 12:49

We’re remainders and my DH is considering taking a job overseas. I work for the nhs- recent racist incident has influenced our decision. Racism is often dismissed on mn, despite how devastating the effect is. Brexit has given some people the ability to be openly vile.
Sad days.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 12:54

misslanes I am bemused as to WHY they would lie in this particular instance.
I am not naiive to think CEO's never lie

CheshireChat · 19/02/2019 13:00

I like how 'oh, well if you don't like it, just leave then' as if it were that easy.

You need a new job, somewhere to live so you have to have money for deposits and fees, money for the actual plane tickets, money to move your stuff or even more money to replace it if moving it is prohibitive.

That's without accounting for the effort to settle in- guess what, things work differently abroad so you have to figure them out (from shops to how to sort out bills), you have to build a support network, learn the language etc etc.

Not to mention that if one spouse is British, they might not be willing to leave, particularly if they need to help elderly parents.

But yeah, just leave then.

themoomoo · 19/02/2019 13:02

cheshirecat where has someone said to leave the country? I've read lots of posts by remainers saying they will leave ( yeah right, course you will) but can't remember any where a poster has told anyone else they should leave.

Quietrebel · 19/02/2019 13:03

We still have low wages to the extent that people in full time jobs have to claim tax credits to live, we have food banks, period poverty, etc

Yes - those who were struggling are struggling more now and it's only the beginning. What makes me angry is the absurd cost of brexit. It's already cost us over £80billion , or almost 10 years worth of EU membership, or 228 red brexit nhs buses! Plus all the jobs going, the investmentments lost (which I don't believe have been accounted for yet), the diminished profile on the international scene... It really hurts to see it. All for what? A vanity project at best, the biggest con in history at worst...

Limensoda · 19/02/2019 13:04

I have heard so many people whingeing about Brexit, saying they will leave the UK if Brexit goes ahead (which it will!)Will they fuck?! They know which side their bread is buttered.Their histrionics and straw man arguments do keep me entertained though

I mostly hear Leavers telling remainers to get out of Britain and go and live in Europe if they don't like Brexit @redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 which is a fucking stupid thing to say.
Do the histrionics of Leavers entertain you when there's suggestion of another vote? They are terrified it won't go their way again after the complete cock up this government has made of it.

CheshireChat · 19/02/2019 13:07

themoomoo surferjet said as much earlier on.

I also recall stuff like 'oh it's a shame families might be split, but it's their own fault' this was when Brexit was still at the beginning.

And you kinda have to leave the country if you leave due to Brexit which is what I meant.

DippyAvocado · 19/02/2019 13:10

I am bemused as to WHY they would lie

They don't want to put off any potential consumers by making a statement which might point the finger at them. Better to make vague generalisations that can't be attributed to a particular group of people.

I'm not saying Brexit was the only factor at play, but the UK would have been much better placed to withstand any knick-knacks to the car manufacturing industry. Japanese countries want to continue trading with the EU. If the UK were remaining in the single market, it would be more cost-effective to keep the plant here running, although probably not pour a lot of new investment into it, rather than go to the trouble of moving the whole operation back to Japan. It will be more cost effective to do that, however, than absorb the tariff costs.

DippyAvocado · 19/02/2019 13:11

knocks not knick-knacks!