To feel panic stricken about Brexit?

[northernlights0710]

I actually feel sick at the thought that it is only 39 days to Brexit, with no deal in place and a cliff-edge exit looming fast, the EU refusing to budge on concessions (as well they might), the Irish border problem unresolved, tens of thousands signing up to Nigel Farage's Brexit party and the Tories and Labour in crisis?

How did something that started out as a row within a faction of the Tory party come to this, a constitutional crisis? It feels like Armageddon.

Henrysmycat, I'm so sorry to hear that. It makes me feel ashamed to be British.

I'm ashamed too. It's awful. We've had years though of drip drip through the tabloids to encourage people to only care about themselves and no one else. Now we can pull up the drawbridge and be isolated together. I'm trying to stockpile essential medication that I can't live without, as no one knows what will happen.

@northernlights0710

It makes me feel ashamed to be British.

Unless you are a racist twat then there's nothing to be ashamed of. British people are typically very welcoming and friendly, racism is more of a problem in most European countries.

Obviously this doesn't excuse the disgusting behaviour that Henrysmycat was subject to but racism isn't a 'British problem' and apologising on behalf of British people is doing a disservice to the vast majority who are kind and welcoming.

we could have negotiated a much better deal

you really believe that, dont you?
Yes of course. We got a deal despite Parliament being in a right mess and there being no strong core of support. If you go into negotiations in a weak position you have no bargaining power. If you go in with the full force of Parliament behind you so that you can say 'compromise or we'll leave you in the lurch too you bastards' and they know you absolutely mean it then you have a stick to hit them with and therefore can achieve a better deal than otherwise. I'm not saying necessarily a cracking deal, but definitely a better deal. How could you think otherwise? It's just common sense, it's not a matter of leaver v remainer or Conservative v Labour - it's the same situation that anyone entering negotiations has.

Ok, I'll bite - this better deal would have said 'what' about NI.? Please let us know how the NI border issue could be better resolved?

Honda have just anointed they are shutting their plant in Swindon in 2022 with the loss of 3500 jobs, this is the cost of our blue passports folks and IMO is just the start of our race to the bottom.

Announced not anionted

Having survived the three day week, power cuts, water shortages, mountains of rubbish piling up, weekly strike marches, rat population exploding, and three channel tv, I am sure we can survive a shortage of European food whilst the channels open up to the rest of the world, home grown seasonal foods, British loo roll and locally sourced products. It will not take long before alternatives are sought and the eu starts to see that they really need to sort out a deal that protects their trade. Shortages are caused by panic buying and the big four will love another excuse for putting the prices up (and they already have supply chains outside the eu). Look what happens pre Christmas when the shops are shut for one day. We will survive whatever is thrown at us. It will be different. It will take a while to settle down. No amount of hysteria and prophecies of doom will change it now.

So why leave it to panic buying? Why is making careful preparations in your larder months in advance panic buying and scaremongering?

@Janedoe5000 i agree with you. Why is no one concerned with this one massive union of states run by the unelected? The Eu should only have been about trade.

I must have missed the election for our second chamber and our head of state.

I can't wait, I'm counting the days, then let the stinking EU pile implode .

Jamiefraserskilt, why would you actively choose to go from choice and prosperity to just surviving! I don't want my children to just survive I want them to thrive with choice and opportunity.

I'm not dreading toilet paper shortages or school closures. But as an EU citizen, I genuinely fear for my status. I'm dreading another windrush

@badlydrawnboy

39 days allows time for at least a single mortgage overpayment, if that's a possibility. I wasn't suggesting anybody would be able to clear their entire mortgage before Brexit - just look at getting their finances in as good a position as possible, in advance of any interest rate rises etc. Don't think there is anything wrong with that suggestion?

Sorry previous post should be @badlydrawnperson

I can't wait, I'm counting the days, then let the stinking EU pile implode

Yeah all those car manufacturers leaving the EU. All those trade deals they aren't competent enough to make..

Oh that's the U.K. not the EU isn't it?

@mum2jakie So time for one mortgage overpayment? Fair enough I guess but I thought people on this thread were desperate, feeling sick etc. A few quid extra on a single mortgage payment probably isn't going to help much is it?

I must have missed the election for our second chamber and our head of state.
Grade A whataboutery - give us a referendum on that I'll vote to abolish the lot of em.

Rosie, we have been through great highs and great lows, recessions, crashes and shortages. Each time, followed by a high. When it gets too high it crashes again. Such is world economy. We will find a way forwards.
My children's future will be defined by them not me. They may stay in this country or leave and start a new life elsewhere in the world. The choice is there now and will be after the end of March.
Having gone through years of austerity, I am wondering where this prosperity that you mention, is right now?

When I was young I always used to have reoccurring dreams where I was panicking because I wouldn't have enough time to do everything in time for an impending disaster, no matter what I did. My dreams have become my reality.

But we're not crashing after a high are we? We're crashing whilst still struggling after the last crash, with decimated services and, at the same time, ripping up all our international trade deals.

I don't want my kids starting out in a trashed economy. And trashed on purpose. Just to satisfy a load of people who never bothered to vote in any European elections. (Well I can only assume they didn't, as they don't seem to realise that the European parliament is elected.)

What is the point in worrying? Fuck all you can do about it.

EU presidents are elected. europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/presidents_en Either by our MEPs or by Heads of State.
The EU civil service is unelected, just like ours.

I'm old enough to remember all kinds of shit - power cuts, bread strikes in my area. I'm a 1960s baby. This is right up there with the worst economic stuff you don't want your kids to endure.
My parents were in the war. My Dad grew up in the actual Depression.
And anyone who welcomes it doesn't know what they are talking about. Unless they are a carpet bagger like JRM who sees money making opportunities from disaster.