To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

Before I say what I'm about to, let me just say I believe her to be dangerous and not welcome in the UK.

But how can we be sure what she is saying is out of her own mind, what she really wants to say? Surely something very very bad could happen to her if she did completely regret ever leaving the UK, and if she voiced it, there may be very scary consequences for her.

Is that not a possibility?

Again, I don't think she should be helped. No. But I wonder if we can really take what she says at face value.

Also, it is easy to prove that baby is her. A simple DNA test if she returned here, or even an examination. You can tell if someone has been pregnant recently or not.

I think ignoring her is the best policy she's getting airtime for her horrifying views

Surely something very very bad could happen to her if she did completely regret ever leaving the UK, and if she voiced it, there may be very scary consequences for her.

Yes, @HollowVictory, I agree!

Imo she gave up the right to Britain the second she married into that gang of child murdering terrorist.
But then I think the same of everyone who had gone over there & been allowed to come back. I had no idea of the numbers of 'former' Isis members we have loose on our streets right now it is truly terrifying. How dare this government be OK with this. I find it convenient that it's plastered all over newspapers now, with this case when hundreds of others have come back with no public fanfare. What are the government trying to distract us from?
It's certainly seems to have halted the mess of Brexit from the front page?

She will be allowed back thats the law, she should ( and everyone else that has come back) be jailed for a vvv long time. & her child adopted out & out of family. Away from anyone that would breed that ideology into a small innocent child

I’ve seen the interview and I don’t usually watch sky news as it’s the tv equivalent of the daily fail. The questions were shit but my God, she is completely thick. The reason for the complete stupidity is obviously brainwashing. She’s had no form of education since the age of 15. Her life has been running here and there and being a housewife/sex object to a man 12 years older than her. I am shuddering at the thought of this. God knows what her warped mind thinks is “normal”. I mean she states that she was religious when she left and knew beheadings were allowed in Islam. What the actual fuck?!

I want to know why she ran away from a home with supposedly caring family. Who taught her killing was allowed in Islam?

I’m thinking what is the difference between Shamima and the girls abused by the grooming gangs? Even these abused women thought their abusers were their friends.

I have always believed since running away that those girls were financed and directed by others.No one runs away to a country that far away with no assistance.Where did the money come from for the girls to get there in the first place? How did they know which routes to take to get to syria....there has always been far more to this story than has ever been told.I think the best outcome possible would be for her to try to make her way to the nearest consulate and if she had a terrible "accident "on the way there then problem solved.Deniable ops who would be the wiser and problem solved....

YY to your tiny violin @ReflectentMonatomism

it is easy to prove that baby is hers. A simple DNA test if she returned here, or even an examination. You can tell if someone has been pregnant recently or not

All of which she'd have to consent to - and if it was only carried out after (and if) she reached the UK, some might consider that a bit late since she'd already have achieved her objective

I want to know why she ran away from a home with supposedly caring family. Who taught her killing was allowed in Islam?

Her mother is dead and her father was mostly absent. She was raised by her grandmother, whom I would put money on not speaking English and being completely isolated from British society, and her uncle who is a "religious scholar" (no other job or source of income mentioned) which is usually a euphemism for "religious extremist". They rose at 5am to pray.

So there is no "caring family", or at least, not since her mother died. There's an old woman and a religious fanatic.

I fully expect her to be allowed back and housed and given full support. In reality she should have the baby taken off her. Then she must expect to have to go out to work and support herself. Somehow i can’t imagine her ending up homeless......much like the 25.000 other islamic extremists don’t appear to be.

She chose to go and in the interview she gave no eye contact, no apology and sounded quite blaze when she said she posed no danger.
No, she shouldn't be allowed back, unless it's to one of our prisons for good, not to be let out.
Anyone who joins radical groups abroad should be treated the same.

Reflect Thanks for answering that. It makes complete sense to me now why she did it.

Another case of grooming but her skin colour and religion stands in the way of people’s sympathy. Appalling.

I hope she is let back in and given proper support mentally. To me, it’s an obvious case of grooming and the survivor still telling herself it was ok.

I think it's the joining a cult that likes to hack people's heads off, push gay people off buildings and who stone women to death that's standing in the way of people's sympathy, lightnings.

To me, it’s an obvious case of grooming and the survivor still telling herself it was ok.

I think that's a reasonable summary, yes.

The problem is that the people who think the are part of the solution (her family, in particular) are actually part of the problem. Patty Hearst ended up OK, but her family were not the problem.

Agreed mission

I save my sympathy for the families of the children who went to a pop concert and never returned, those children deserved safety.

If she lost her passport, she can present herself at the consulate for a replacement.

Her family can purchase travel for her to return home. I would suggest she earn the money herself, but imagine that is simply not allowed.

Either way, she risks being arrested. If her priority is her child, that seems a small price to pay.

I save my sympathy for the families of the children who went to a pop concert and never returned, those children deserved safety.

Exactly. That she was groomed might to some extent explain her actions, but does not excuse them. As she entirely lacks insight and self-reflection, most people's response is going to be "fuck her". And as her family and their solicitor appear to be a dishonest bunch of chancers and extremists, along with the families of the other girls, that doesn't help either.

If there were a statement from the families which showed the slightest sign of insight into what happened, and showed the slightest sign of regret and change in their thinking, then people might think that this was a case of misguided girl being returned to a caring family. But she, and her friends, were in part at least groomed by their families; their families were also dishonest and disingenuous about the circumstances of their disappearance. If the girls return to their families, we might as well went them the vans to drive along London Bridge: either the families will actively connive, or the families will passively collude.

So the question is: what to do? Intern them? Leave them where they are? Or hope that they walk into some 7.62x51 (7.62x39 is more deniable, I guess) on their way to get some food? None's ideal, is it?

lightnings dont be ridiculous, and her “religion” is that of an islamic extremist who love to kill innocent people, so yes i’d say THAT form of Islam certainly does stand in the way of peoples sympathy. What the hell do you expect, admiration?

@Lightenings.

I think your flabby, unjoined thinking is a personal tragedy for you but I hope it doesn't seep into society at large because that would be a tragedy for all of us.

And as soon as she lands arrested as a war criminal with a long time in prison.

What war would that be, WalkingDead? We can't arrest people for crimes in wars to which we are not a party.

Lightening the difference has been mentioned on different thread or way back on this one. Groomer reaches into someone's life... lays way to abuse.
In this case, girl can see exactly what's going on, what's she's in for... and sought out a different ways of life.

She’s an absolute dick head obviously but I do think there was an element of grooming at play. However her lack of remorse is astonishing. Do wonder if her Dutch husband has been on the same receiving end of such vitriol from his own country, as he a) carried out the violence and b) had sex with a 14 year old.

Saturday this is what I've been wondering. We simply don't know what atrocity any who willingly sought out this caliphate have done.

Surely all need to be arrested.. and Go through due process... I would have thought it would be one place so victims can identify them?

Oh my word, this was a young girl who was groomed. How can done of you have such little sympathy? She won't show remorse. She has been brainwashed. Everything that we think is wrong, she has been told is right and it will gave been justified to her by lslamic extremist ideology. Why would she show remorse for things she does not appreciate are wrong?