To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

There are thousands of babies being born and stuck in camps all due to the regime she willingly joined. Why does her having been lucky enough to have been born in the uk get her special treatment?

By leaving the uk willingly to join isis means she has renounced her uk citizenship and now she expects a country she despises to come to her aid. She didn’t want to leave until her Islamic utopia had fallen, she has no remorse, she hasn’t renounced the actions of isis, her husband or the community she willingly joined. She didn’t try to leave when her 2 previous children were dieing of malnutrition as that must clearly be allahs will but when she is under treat suddenly she remembers the country of her birth, the nhs and benefits system.

I also find it a bit strange when she lost 2 children to malnutrition and disease and yet she looks quite healthy and well feed. Why is that?

I don't think she can just wander out of the refugee camp,I understand it is aguarded area .I and dubious about the need to send people in at risk to their lives just to help her.She is among lots of women in the same situation.

Why does she get special treatment due to British citizenship?

This is an interesting question, but one that usually comes up when people are justifying why 'foreigners' shouldn't get access to health care in the UK.

Special treatment on the basis of citizenship is what countries are FOR.

If you don't want it, then admit that everyone in the world has an equal right to NHS treatment as those born in the UK!

M3lon I would give anyone the right to use the nhs if they were living and working and paying taxes in the uk regardless of the their country of birth.
What I don’t like is health tourists who arrive at their time of need then piss off again once they have had free treatment.

don't and this girl's family are tax payers in the UK. So explain why she doesn't have more right to return and live here than other refugees who don't have British citizenship?

That girl to me seems an opportunistic sociopath. She knows damn well that she stands a greater chance of clemency if she claims her desire to return to the UK is to protect her child. Funny enough, she made no such attempt for the sake of her other children when Isis was still in power. There is no proof that this is even her baby or that she was ever pregnant. I think the timing of her current desire to leave Syria has more to do with the fact that the terrorist organisation she joined is on the brink of total collapse. Given the reign of barbaric terror she supported, it is a matter of time before the winning side will seek retribution from ISIS members and its cheerleaders. She was no ordinary, innocent local caught up in this brutal civil war but a mercenary that belonged to a group that committed genocide. Why should Britain get involved? After all, when British teenagers and young adults travel to other countries and commit crimes there, Britain generally accepts the fact that these British citizens will face prosecution in that country. Sometimes, if there is consular presence, there will be some liaison but on the whole if you for example smuggle drugs in some countries, you have to deal with the consequences, including extremely harsh sentences. So, if you commit terrorist acts and support a terrorist organisation that brutalised the population in another country then Britain should not intervene and leave it to the authorities or captors to deal with these terrorists. I’d hand her to the Yazidi fighters or let the Kurdish groups deal with her.

Talking to DH about this last night.
Im so on the fence. Mostly because she was a brainwashed 15 year old when she fled. Effectively groomed. I just dont know if and where to draw the line

She was a kid. What do we do now? Should she not get some serious therapy? Is suffereing from a form of stockholm syndrome? Has she actually grown up or is she too messed up to think properly to stand a trial if she had to for whatever reason?

I just cant see whats right or whats wrong. The simple fact remains that she was a child when she went there. So we have to take this into account.

I wouldn't let her back in. There are far more deserving causes than a current/former ISIS member. Why risk anyone gett8ng hurt or brainwashed by her? She likes ISIS so can stay with them, use their healthcare etc 😉

But she s not a tax payer and never has been. Nor is she a minor and so the responsibility of her parents.

On a different point I read online that her parents were born in Bangladesh and she would have a right to apply for banledesh citizenship so there would be no need for her to be stateless.

The UK has lots of other sociopaths....maybe we should revoke all their passports when they happen to step out of the country for a while?

I'm not sure what Syria has done that means we have the right to export our sociopaths to them....I feel like they have enough of their own problems.

Aren’t most of the terrorists that have caused attacks been brainwashed? Why would you risk her being here? Imagine if that’s her plan to come here and do something awful? 😩

I would be quite willing to go for that plan as well.

I think she should be left where she is, give Syria a chance to rebuild itself and then she should be handed over to the Syria authorise to face their justice. Iraq is managing to put these war brides on trial so why should Syria not wish to do the same?

Government need to use this to set an example. Anyone leaving UK to fight alongside/live alongside ISIS will NOT be allowed to return to the UK, regardless of circumstances.

They are the UK's biggest threat right now, if she is allowed back in, not only will she be a danger, there will be a lot of people angry with the decision and likely to cause riots.

Perhaps she could live in Bangladesh instead.

A 19 year old woman, NOT a girl.

Bring her back? Absolutely no way
Allow her back, yes for prosecution and the adoption of her spawn.

I was hearing on the news today that officials are saying she will need mental health support. No way should she swan into the UK and get special treatment over and above everyone else waiting.

Sadly this young woman has been brainwashed as a child; and sadder still is the fact that she is still brainwashed. Her casual comment about severed heads in bins being fine as these were the enemies of Islam says it all.

She cannot come back - which is unfortunate but it has to be. I cannot think that it is possible to re-train her brain now.

Like many pp, very conflicted about this. She was more than likely groomed and is now severely damaged.

If she can get herself back, fair enough, but I don't think we should be putting people in danger to get her. In any case, she has broken the law by subscribing to a terrorist organisation and will have to answer to that.

The big problem for me is whether or not they will ever be able to deradicalise her. It will be decades, if ever, that we would be able to call her trustworthy.

The laws on Treason have never been repealed AFAIAA. Surely what she has done is treason so we CAN refuse to have her back?

She left Britain to join a terrorist organisation which would and has committed atrocities against Britain. Anyone who does that regardless of their nationality/ethnicity/colour shouldn't be allowed back in the country. The alternative is she comes back, the unthinkable happens and she's one of those "known to the SS." Did you see that interview with her Dad, he admitted joining 'demonstrations' (I can guess what considering what the daughter has done) and said it was ok because Britain is a democracy. I despair.

The other side of a right is a responsibility.

But, again, that is not how our law works. We don't and can't say to people that, for instance, we won't allow them access to education unless they can demonstrate that they are responsible people.

It’s been quite widely reported that her father is an extremist too

Please do you have a link to this? I've not been able to find anything on Shamima's father or other family so far - only pieces about the father of Amira Abase, one of the other girls who travelled out with her

She's not a girl. I see no reason why she should be afforded any special treatment. I agree unicorn.

What's disappointing me is the relish with which people are falling over one another to post increasingly vile and ridiculous stances online re this- people saying the camp she is in should be bombed, people saying she should be brought home and executed, etc. You lose the moral high ground completely when you come out with shite like that. Fine to have an opinion and fine to be angry with her, but the spite and vitriol is really disappointing and makes me think less of people.

I'd allow her home, make sure her child was cared for (very likely not by her), look at whether it was possible to prosecute her for anything, attempt to de radicalise her. I see the arguments against that, to be honest, but that's my preference.

From what i understand its more that she wants our government's assistance to bring her back, as she cannot do so on her own.

If that's the case then its a NO from me!

if her family so desperately want her back, then i think they should sort out her passport, go over there and pay for her to come back themselves.

She got herself over there, she can get herself back. She turned her back on Britain when she went, knowing damn well what she was doing, now that its not worked out, she wants Britain to foot the bill and bring her back to safety.

i imagine there will be uproar if she is assisted back into the country

She appears to have significantly changed her tune in the interview now being reported by the bbc:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47276572

So I suspect that someone is now advising her.