To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

Maybe an airline wouldn't want to knowingly transport a terrorist.

'Nine' should of course have been 'one'

Curse my fingers!!

Nope leave her there. She will go straight back once her child is old enough to survive out there.

Didn't she lose her citizenship by going out there? Thought I read somewhere about that. If that's the case, legally surely we don't have to do anything.

That was answered upthread Santa Clarita. You can only withdraw someone's British citizenship if they are a dual national, so also have citizenship of another country. It is against international law to leave someone stateless.

www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/03/zaghari-ratcliffe-to-go-on-hunger-strike-in-iranian-jail

I find it horrid that so much press is given to a terrorist bride. yet the poor mother in the link is pretty much forgotten.

Legally if she presents herself at a British embassy as a British citizen....

How will she prove that she is who she says she is, and is therefore a British citizen? What is the procedure if someone rocks up at a British Embassy or consulate wanting a passport/travel documents, with no way of proving their identity?

The Manchester bomber was brought back from Libya - he killed 22 innocent people 3 years after his return from the UK.

She's gone to join a fight that was horrific ly violent and repressive... I'd want too know what part she's played , she's likely to be war criminals...

If she went to the Czech embassy in Damascus, they would be required to help her, as she is an EU citizen (the problem would be that she has no proof of that).

It appears she may be a dual national (of Bangladesh too) which means she can potentially be stripped of UK nationality for terrorismo-related offences. Perhaps she should have thought about that earlier.

Maybe an airline wouldn't want to knowingly transport a terrorist.

Hopefully not. If airlines refuse to fly deportees from the UK then surely they can refuse to fly a self confessed terrorist to the UK.

Well I think we know how this sorry tale will pan out, don't we?

Unfortunately as she is a British citizen she will be permitted back here where, no doubt, she will be given accommodation for her and the baby, along with various benefits of course.

Then I imagine she will start spouting her 'human rights' , be deemed a 'vulnerable' person, so may even be given a new identity 'to protect her'

I'm in the fence here. If this was my child, I'd want her back and I'd move hell and high water to get her. I'm unsure why her parents aren't just buying her a flight out. She is legally allowed to enter the country.

On the flip side, I think leaving her there is a warning to others, and it prevents another terrorist link into our country. I don't really understand what she wants. Her husband won't be allowed to visit her surely, or entry to the U.K., and she clearly doesn't wish to come back just for a couple of weeks.

In a few years once she's back and settled, there will be stories similar to terrorist attack from serian run away, when she eventually attacks us.

She has said in interviews "Islam says we can behead people, I see no issue with it" or words similar. Thats terrifying. Watching a human being being executed and feeling nothing, that awful.

This will bite us on the bum in the end.

She is legally allowed to enter the country.
But she doesn't have a passport, so she has no way of proving her citizenship.

Yes it's awful that she was so nochalant about it. It's unnatural to feel that about human being meeting such a horrific death.

bluntness I can't get behind the idea of leaving a teenager with a newborn baby out there to serve as a warning to others.

For one thing...what has the baby done wrong?

Her family want her to come back because they don't want their grandchild to be raised to become a soldier for ISIS. Which I can understand.

I’m not sure that’s true. It’s been quite widely reported that her father is an extremist too, and it’s very obvious ISIS won’t exist by the time he is fighting age.

There's just been an interview with her in a major national newspaper. I should think she'll have somewhat less trouble than most in proving who she is!

"What is the procedure if someone rocks up at a British Embassy or consulate wanting a passport/travel documents, with no way of proving their identity?"

IIRC, it's not really different from a holiday maker who has lost their passport. You need some other identification (ideally photocopy of your previous passport with all the issuing info on it) sufficient for you to be located in the Identity Database (another official document, if the databases 'talk' to each other; or just personal statement of who you are if you have nothing) and then you will be assessed to see if you do match the person in the Identity one (checking details from your application etc)

If satisfied you are that Brit, then you get a one-time use emergency travel document for repatriation only.

For this young woman, it could be fairly straightforward, as her face is so well known. Though I suppose they must have safeguards against impersonators.

Well if she’s dual nationality then great. Revoke her citizenship.

Legally while still a British citizen she can turn up at an embassy and they would issue at emergency travel document to get her home. But if she’s dual nationality then she should have her British citizenship revoked. She rejected us and our way of life and that’s a two way street.

She has shown no remorse, knew that ISIS were beheading people before she went and she said she was okay with that as that was Islamist. She saw a head in a bin, and was unfazed. She does not regret going, it has made her a stronger person. She would have allowed her first born to become an ISIS fighter. All her words. She doesn't seem to be in the right mindset to be rehabilitated. She had her children for the caliphate.

The only reason she wants to come back here (using the word here rather than home because she forfeited the right to think of here as home) because she is now stuck in a refugee camp and wants the UK taxpayer to pay for her and her child. The child has a Dutch father, perhaps the Dutch family would like to take care of their murderous son's offspring.

She will get here eventually and will be allowed in. That is the reality. And after a few months of investigation she will quietly be allowed to resume her life with all the benefits she can get her hands on. She will have cost this country 100s of thousands of £s. She will be a security risk and the security surveillance bill alone will be astronomical. Based on her views so far, she will pose a grave risk. Her child is also at risk from radicalisation. It would be better for him if he is adopted.

Her lawyer has been all across the media today. An odious man if you look at his CV, and the firm he works with (based in Mayfair) seem to have grown rich specialising in cases relating to terrorism. He, and her family, are blaming everybody other than Begum and her family. Worse than that are all the wet apologists here who have bought the view that she is still a child. She is an adult who made a considered choice to go to Syria, has had 3 babies for ISIS, her husband has gone AWOL and she is now adrift and wants to come back.

If she’s that worried about her child then they should bring him over on his own. She can stay there.

I'm unsure why her parents aren't just buying her a flight out. She is legally allowed to enter the country.

She has to get to an airport before she can board a flight out. And since she has no papers, I doubt she'd be allowed to board a flight.

She must, as has been said repeatedly, present herself at a British consulate or embassy and ask for assistance. Which is the rule for any British citizen abroad who loses their passport.

I lost my passport abroad and did need to go to a consulate or get any emergency documents to fly back. Granted I wasn't a despicable terrorist though.