To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

Anyone can bring doubt into any argument and worry that their government is quite stupid

Of course they can, but when they have firmly positioned themselves on following international law whilst previously invoking the 'muh daily mail' straw man and then state they have acted on impulse shoes it's somewhat partisan.

But I will concede, I'm thinking of a different thread wrt some points I'm asserting

Why are you getting a bee in your bonnet about acting on impulse?

It's the courts who will decide if the government made the right decision, not the Home Secretary if this is challenged!

I hope that Sajid Javid has a good argument (ie not aceted on impulse) because I don't want to see this decision challenged.

Apologies to findingfeet12

Your argument is bizarre. I take it you're not a lawyer and don't understand things like legal challenges and judicial review etc?

No probs justanother. I feel really strongly about this because when the government leaves any kind of loophole, we end up looking like idiots and it costs money

I don't know if her comments have been edited. But I can't stand listening to her. She sounds so entitled and self centred rather than humble and asking for help and forgiveness for her previous actions.

I also don't want her to become some kind of martyr and encourage more acts of terrorism. I fear the government may have been short sighted.

I've picked an argument in mistaken identity, so I apologise again.

But for devils advocate:

Why are you getting a bee in your bonnet about acting on impulse?

Because this situation is international news, they have obviously not acted on impulse and gave followed international law that we and other nations have used previously.

There is nothing wrong with following public pressure in cases like this where law permits, because the opposing view previously was international law should get followed despite the public opinion (including the rabid fuckwits at the daily mail).

Reading articles today such as the child orphaned whose parents were killed in the Manchester bombings and reading posts on here seemingly obsessed with the “law” and it ( can’t even bring myself to say the name) being allowed to return to the uk makes me sick.

Personally I am gutted she is a uk citizen and sadly, yes , she will be undoubtedly be allowed back.

Protection and surveillance will cost millions. The tax payer millions I add.

I genuinely cannot understand the mentality of people on here who seem so concerned about this scum knowing that she shows no remorse.

I rage when posters write “ public pressure” - that’s an insult. An insult to the victims and their families who have already lost their lives and yet posters on here believe “because she is British “ this dangerous individual who condoned these attacks should be allowed back by law and is a victim herself.

It’s fucking nuts. That’s what it is.

If a person is British with no other nationality, why should another country have to put up with them Red ?

If Syria hadn't prosecuted her but had simply deported her, of course she would be allowed back - why should they have her?

We also deport people who we don't want to keep. We choose to prosecute some but we can't force another country to prosecute someone.

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Glad you liked my comment- showing my age - bit of gallows humour

Public pressure does exist. Government decisions are upheld by the courts. They famously don't give a toss what the public wants but follow the law (Human Rights Act and all) and there's f all we can do about it.

That's why the government has to make sure its decisions are watertight regardless of what the public wants.

It unpalatable to many but we don't have a choice.

Just read she’s been stripped of her citizenship.

Thank fuck for that.

finding but she isn’t just a “ person” is she?

She lived, shagged and bred with and condoned the acts of monsters who raped, murdered, beheaded, tortured and blew up innocent people. British people. The very people she despises.

That ain’t no normal British “ person “ is it?

Mind. Boggles.

And no she’s not stateless. Not that I give a fuck but she has Bangladeshi citizenship apparently.

No Red, you're right she's not a person. I wonder why it took the government so long when they could have used that watertight argument.

I am pleased to see the latest update on her.
Will be interesting to see what happens next though.
Also, they have shown a letter on BBC news that was sent to her mother explaining the decision, but I thought her mother had died a few years ago?

I seem to be the only one whose confused why a 15 year old child who was obviously groomed and manipulated is seen as someone who chose to go and have that life. In my old job I had to go and assess 15 year olds to assess their Capacity for making informed choices ( this was re: underage sex with an older person. I understand she is a massive risk but she was an abused child groomed into something else. She's lost 2 children and has a 3rd she's 19! Some massive trauma for a teenager to go through, the social worker in me feels she needs help, I feel it's unlikely she's unable to criticize her life atm it's far too dangerous

Of course public pressure exists, some where trying to build public pressure into retrieving her.

The overall point I was making is that some on these threads have tried to use the international law argument (without any caveats of hoping it's watertight) to offer said caveats and imply that following international law is just because of peer pressure.

It's a weird hill to die on

How are these underage kids not even being questioned when flying to Turkey etc alone?

How are these underage kids not even being questioned when flying to Turkey etc alone?

In this particular case, she was using her older sister's passport.

But underage kids fly in and out of the UK perfectly legitimately all the time - going to and from boarding school, for example. How do you decide which ones need to be stopped and questioned?

how dare we and other EU nations have let so many extremists fuck off and set up their stalls in Syria and Iraq?

It's a fair point, but they're hardly likely to say they're going to Syria to join ISIS ... more like "going to a family wedding", "travelling for a computer course" (as if!!) or whatever

Try preventing that and the accusations would fly thick and fast: "They're stopping me for travelling while muslim", etc, etc

Santaclarita she is not in any way eligible for Syrian citizenship. She is eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship.

She has said she wanted a 'better life' in IS. So off she went. Of course she was young and naive but her views haven't changed. I read at the time that her family had put her passport in a safe deposit box at the bank as they were worried about her going which is why she took her sisters passport?
Unfortunately she has no moral compass.
She is 19 now and still a IS supporter. Young people have to know that if you commit atrocities against our country then it's possible you may never be able to return.
She's made poor choices and has to live with them like all other 19 year olds.
I don't feel sorry for her. She can rot for all i care. We all have choices, she made shit ones, her decision.

StatelessPrincess it was more of a question than a statement. I dunno what citizenship they think she is eligible for.

Bangladesh citizenship

Seems a bit unfair to the Bangladesh government to dump her on them.