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To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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SpeakingALanguage · 18/02/2019 09:41

Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

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Eatmycheese · 19/02/2019 00:29

If we let this “girl” back in it’s the final piece of our laughing stock jigsaw puzzle

User2019 · 19/02/2019 00:39

Hm. I think forcing her to remain where she is is a death sentence for her and her baby, who is innocent.

We are a civilised country and we need to be better than that.

Allow her back. Arrest her. Have her child adopted out to loving, sane people and give him a chance.

Jamieson90 · 19/02/2019 00:41

Should we bring her back?

No, legally we are under no obligation to help her return to the UK. Moreover, her actions are morally reprehensible: she knowingly joined a terrorist group and supported an ideology that has no qualms about stoning women, torturing and murdering infadels or throwing gay people off of rooftops to their deaths.

She has openly stated that she still adamantly believes in this.

She would allow her back?

If somehow she managed to return to the UK, then yes, she should be allowed back in, followed by being immeditately detained, tried and convicted as a traitor to her country. If so, she should be grateful that high treason is no longer punishable by death and hasn't technically been since 1998. I'd expect the book to be thrown at her and for her to be sentenced to a maximum sentence of life in prisonment. Let that be a lesson to anyone thinking of doing the same.

Tavannach · 19/02/2019 00:59

She only decided enough was enough when her husband got arrested. Even when her two children died she made no attempt to escape

Ms Begum escaped from Baghuz two weeks ago, but her husband - a Dutch convert to Islam - surrendered to a group of Syrian fighters as they left.

Her daughter died at the age of one year and nine months and was buried in Baghuz a month ago. Her second child died three months ago at eight months old of an illness compounded by malnutrition, she said.
BBC news

She was 15 when she left, undoubtedly groomed online.
She has the right to come back to Britain because she is a British citizen.
Her baby is British.

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 01:02

Not that it changes my opinion but where did the BBC get that information from?

Could it possibly be this terrorist wannabe herself?

TheRiverIsAComfort · 19/02/2019 01:04

Because, if so, it will be a tissue of lies/bullshit/bollocks-you may rest assured of that.

Lovingbenidorm · 19/02/2019 01:08

What the fuck has happened to the uk?

Loopylou6 · 19/02/2019 01:28

You want to bring her back? Seriously, what? No words.

origamiunicorn · 19/02/2019 07:07

@woodhill Lol a bit of XTC playing in the background as he goes

This made me giggle

origamiunicorn · 19/02/2019 07:14

She was 15 when she left, undoubtedly groomed online.
She has the right to come back to Britain because she is a British citizen.
Her baby is British.

She needs to come back under Her Majesty's pleasure then or something. I don't have the answers, but I sure as hell don't want her loose in society as if she's so easily influenced then she's a danger to Britain.

Did you see her interviews by the way, I'm just asking as I saw no remorse at all, she's blatantly playing the game to get herself back in.

RedWineIsFabulous · 19/02/2019 07:23

Lightnings

Are you actually for real?

I typed out a whole paragraph on my outrage at the ignorance of your stupid posts but deleted it because I knew you would report me.

All I can say is thank fuck that you aren’t Home Secretary.

Your cannot seem to understand that this scumbag shows absolutely no remorse and is an incredibly dangerous individual.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

RedWineIsFabulous · 19/02/2019 07:30

Tavannach

My previous post applies to you too.

Are you for real?

So innocent people get blown up, tortured, murderered , raped and beheaded, but it’s supporter and advocate that is this traitor wants to come back to the uk and you think that’s ok??

All because she was 15 when she voluntarily left and has had a baby and is a uk citizen.

That makes it all alright then does it?

The Manchester bombing victims, Lee Rigby?

It has no remorse for this but yet you want her back?

I have no words

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

SaturdayNext · 19/02/2019 07:40

These laws haven't been carried down by Moses or flown in by ET. They are man made and can be unmade.

If we exit the treaties that require us to admit British citizens, we will attract a world of trouble. Next time we want to deport known criminals their respective countries of origin would be able to refuse to admit them, and we would find British citizens having problems at borders the world over because other countries wouldn't have the security of knowing they could send people back if necessary. The Foreign Office and Home Office are not so stupid as to let that happen.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 07:54

I think we have to abide by the law regardless of how unpalatable it might be.

I also think she's still a major threat and clearly still an ISIS supporter.

I do think it's odd that people were never this adamant that Tony Blair be deported for being responsible for the deaths of far more than ISIS has ever killed.

bluetheskyis · 19/02/2019 08:04

She’s being punished for her political beliefs. She’s unrepentant and doesn’t regret going, but is unlikely to have commited any actual crimes or illegal activities that she can be prosecuted for either so politicians don’t know what to do with her. If she were weeping and wailing and saying how great the U.K. is and how evil all of IS are that would be different. Politicians want there to be consequences. They want her on her knees.
She’s gone from being a brainwashed child who needs to be saved to the emodiment of evil somehow.
She’s a U.K. citizen, who many its seems would be happy to see dead, her baby, an innocent, is UK citizen who may die in a refugee camp.
This is revenge not justice, and we should be big enough to help her get back. I’m sure she has information about radicalisation, IS and other ‘inside’ info that our security forces can only dream of getting their hands on normally. Once they decide they’re man enough to deal with a radicalised young woman barely into adulthood that is.

goodbyesweets · 19/02/2019 08:22

Red finally someone I completely agree with!!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Everyone just keeps saying oh poor girl she was 15....
The manchester victims didn't get to go home that night... lee rigby didn't get to go home.... this women agrees with their deaths, why should she get to go home?

Pinkyyy · 19/02/2019 08:34

This absolutely infuriates me. Our country has gone too far now. How could people walk down the street and see posters and memorials for those who have lost their lives to these murderous scumbags, and openly welcome them into our country? She deserves whatever she gets over there because she pretty much tried to justify everything they've done. Her return would be the nail in the coffin of 'Great' Britain.

NCjustforthisthread · 19/02/2019 08:40

I would get someone to fly in, take her baby, bring him back and leave her there to rot. I don’t want my tax paying money to contain her in jail. They’ll kill her in there anyway.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 08:41

ISIS has killed far more Syrians than British people. Why should Syria also now deal with our criminals?

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 19/02/2019 08:42

Blue, she thinks it was justifiable to bomb children at a concert. I don't know how you can be in any way sympathetic to her. Murder isn't a political belief.

TriciaH87 · 19/02/2019 08:46

When she joined isis she became s terrorist. She shows no remorse and if she comes back she will almost certainly commit an act of terrorism. She was saying how she would not meet a man like her husband here n singing his praises. He is sodding isis. Would you be so keen if its your family she blows up?

Jaffacakebeast · 19/02/2019 08:48

The only way I see the UK stepping in and bringing her back, is if the Syrians arrest her, put her on trial, there could be a human right issues or deportation. If she does make it back to the UK I believe she should be arrested and her child removed and put into care of a new family. I don’t believe we owe her anything as a country and surely she gave up her rights as a British citizen when she left and plotted to kill people :/

TriciaH87 · 19/02/2019 08:48

Not to mention she knew what it was like out their she said she was fine with people being beheaded because thats part of islam. Well if it was good enough for her then let her stay.

NCjustforthisthread · 19/02/2019 08:52

Urghh some bleeding hearts on here. Why not you guys who seem to want to so eagerly believe she can change take her in, house her, feed her, try and un-do whatever brainwashing you think she’s gone through. And if anything were to happen - like say she decided to call on her comrades to do whatever it is they do - good luck to you. Then we can say we told you so.

Buster72 · 19/02/2019 08:55

If she married a Dutch man I am certain that gives her dutch citizenship as well. Why doesn't she go there....she is as much their problem as ours if this whole argu ment is based upon citizenship.

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