To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

I suppose my point is that she has not "fallen victim to them" but is in fact, a fully paid up member of them and therefore not deserving of any sympathy or help.

This narrative that is slowly crawling forth which sees her as a victim is luckily not shared by most and it needs to be nipped right in the bud now before others-anxious to show how full of sympathy they are-unthinkingly adopt it.

It does not make one a 'do-gooder' ( a badge mistakenly worn with pride by some) to sympathise with this dangerous woman, rather It makes one a danger, a person who would happily put others at risk of harm to protect a woman who simply does not deserve it.

After all, it would be possible to make a case for sympathy or understanding for everyone from Hitler to Peter Sutcliffe. It doesn't follow that we should do it and doing it would not make one on the side of the angels!

Suggesting that this girl is comparable to Irma Grese is ludicrous. Grese was a concentration camp guard at Ravensbruck and Auschwitz, where she participated in selection for gas chambers and was directly involved in horrific ill-treatment and murder. No-one suggests that Begum did anything similar.

I agree @RedWineIsFabulous The posts defending her leave me as confused as when people in America go on TV and fight for the right to bear arms after another gun massacre. I don't understand people that try and defend and sympathise this woman that joined a hardly unknown, pure evil terrorist organisation and why anyone would be fighting for her right to the return to this country. See also:

A jihadi bride who returned to the UK after joining Isis will face no terror charges – despite being ruled too dangerous to raise her own daughter. The unnamed woman, aged in her 20s, has also been given a council flat in east London at the expense of taxpayers

Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/02/17/jihadi-bride-let-back-into-britain-faces-no-terror-charges-despite-being-ruled-dangerous-8648247/?ito=cbshare

And for those spouting “if she was white things would be different “ bollocks, I don’t care what flipping colour she is. Blue,pink, white, brown or green, male or female , young or old.

It’s what she represents and supports and shows no remorse for that’s the issue.

For those saying she was 15, yes I get that too.

But to have her on UK soil? With a dangerous hatred of those on these shores, with a desire for them to die.

Nope. Not a chance- she can rot.

Throw her in an EDL hotspot with an IS tattoo on her forehead.

but I can also consider the point of view of people who have fallen victim to them in other ways.
Well why not call all Isis “victims” then because at one point they were innocent children too. Let’s be so understanding of these terrorists that they only do the wicked things they do because at some point in their lives they fell as victims. Let’s all consider their points of view.

They will kill you if you’re a Christian, they’ll kill you if you’re the “wrong sort of muslim, they’ll kill you if you’re gay., etc etc......but they’ll also kill you in the most horrific way they can think of, and THAT, is their “point of view”, what else do we need to know about.

saturdaynext i wasn’t comparing her to Irma Grese at all. I used her as an example of someone who was white who still had loads of hatred against her. I was making the point against the ridiculous post someone made saying Begum only gets so much hatred because of the colour of her skin. My comparison showed this isn’t so. There was nothing in my post to suggest other that.

I'm conflicted about this. On the one hand she is a potentially very dangerous woman who sympathises with a group of people who happily slaughter innocent children. On the other hand a fifteen year old child was radicalised/groomed in the UK and it was allowed to happen. A minor managed to make her way from the UK to a warzone and it was allowed to happen. Surely, in that respect we bear some responsibility for this woman and her child?

I think we need to step back and ask what is going so wrong in our country that people, women and girls especially, view IS as an attractive alternative to British life.

I think we need to step back and ask what is going so wrong in our country that people, women and girls especially, view IS as an attractive alternative to British life.

I think it’s daft to extrapolate that something is ‘wrong’ with a society when a very, very tiny minority do something stupid and evil.

Oakenbeach

Completely agree.

*And for those spouting “if she was white things would be different “ bollocks, I don’t care what flipping colour she is. Blue,pink, white, brown or green, male or female , young or old.

It’s what she represents and supports and shows no remorse for that’s the issue.*

Yes exactly. If Nigel down the road runs off to join ISIS he can bugger off as well.

At the moment she is in a camp I think run by Syria so is not free to leave I think that is right. However the Syrians presumably would quite like all the Westerners gone although I suppose they might want to try some of them.

This lady hyas a husband somewhere and he might also want the child and presumably the grandparents on the other side in I think Holland might want to bring up the child if the mother is going to prison. It is not an easy situation. I also blame the girl's father too as he went on radical Islamic marches in the UK so presumably played a fairly big part in this too. He might have two passports I think as he is Ethiopian so may be he could get her an ethiopian passport and she could live a quiet life in Ethiopia.

Her biggest mistake is getting the media involved. Especially Sky News.

I was swearing at her like everyone else until I saw her interview. She’s brainwashed. She’s obviously not very bright.

A normal 15 year old does not seek out to marry someone, a man 12 years older than her.

Yes she’s said some stupid things about not regretting it, but what kind of life did she have in Bethnal Green? Was she seeking a “proper” family? Was she offered a home, love and children?

There are so many cases where women have been coerced into doing things to please their abusive partners. These are women. Shamima was a child. 15 is a child.

Yes she’s said some stupid things about not regretting it, but what kind of life did she have in Bethnal Green

We are now comparing life in Bethnal Green with actively seeking out to join a War zone!

I'm sure all the current residents of Bethnal green will be happy with your consideration.

There are so many cases where women have been coerced into doing things to please their abusive partners

She left to marry, how has it come up that her partner was abusive?

And her husband wasn't 12 years older than her , not that it makes much difference.
Xenia, it wasn't Shamima's father who was politically active in supporting terrorists, but one of the other girls who left with her.

Well it hasnt taken long but as i predicted, Sajid Javid has now changed his stance. A few days ago he was saying he would prevent her from entering the UK. Now its changed to,,he would do all possible to prevent anyone retuning being a threat. His arse has fell out already. If we can have the IRA in the house of parliament,we can have her back living off the taxpayers.

PS,,we shall wait and see how other countries welcome back their roving isis supporting citizens.

I think we all have to think about the principles upon which a 'civilised' country - supposedly what our country is - are based.

We cannot claim to be civilised, better than, if we drop those principles. If we don't abide by them, thhen we make ourselves no better than ISIS.

We have to uphold our principles.

Javid (along with most politicians) says whatever he thinks the public wants to hear. Until he realises that he can't actually deliver that, so fudges things and hope we won't notice.

but what kind of life did she have in Bethnal Green

It has been permissible for the past thirty years for conservative BME parents to treat their children in a way which would in other contexts be straightforwardly abusive. FGM is de facto legal. Forced marriage is de facto illegal. Very restrictive and controlling parenting, particularly of girls, which would result in significant social services engagement if the parents were white is regarded as "cultural". There are credible accounts of the police being reluctant to prosecute under-age sex because it's "cultural". This case is going to turn out to be that, all over: a non-English speaking grandmother and a religious fanatic uncle, rising at 5am to pray, controling their daughter's social and educational development.

but what kind of life did she have in Bethnal Green

A darn sight better one than living in a war-one in Syria.

It pisses me off when people look to blame the UK for lacking in some way when people go off the rails. This is one of the best, and fairest, countries in the world, and whilst not perfect, we are tolerant and go above and beyond to accept all faiths and cultures. I bloody well won't accept the blame for her (and others like her) doing what she did.

I’m not being funny but surely she flags up to anyone as a terroist alert, she goes to is and what they are just gonna let her up and leave like that? There must be an underlying reason. if people can’t see there is more behind her coming back then we have a huge problem. If she had a great life there why does she want to come back, I’m sorry but no sympathy whatsoever, she made her bed now she can lie in it.
For those saying she was only 15, when I was 15 I knew exactly what I was doing. If someone said to you, you want come Syria I know to say hell no. 15 year olds are calculating little bitches, I have a 15 year old sister and even she knows what’s right and wrong.

why anyone would be fighting for her right to the return to this country.

No-one's fighting for it. She has that right already.

teaandgingercake, your explanation doesn't work. If you've got to go to someone as evil as Irma Grese to justify your claim that a white woman would attract the same reaction, you're supporting the point that you seek to disagree with.

Oh for fucks sake??

“What kind of life did she lead in Bethnal Green”

What sort of question is that? Is Bethnal Green as a place to reside reason to flee voluntarily to live with and condone murdering monsters?

How come every other fucker in Bethnal Green hasn’t left to do the same thing then? And voluntarily left to travel to Syria?

Honestly. Mumsnet is so full of do gooders at times and not common fucking sense, it’s ridiculous.

This hater is dangerous. She hates us. Me, you, the British and the Western world and shows absolutely no remorse. Is there apart of that you don’t understand?