Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

In FPTP only these two parties have a chance of winning.

That's the breakaway group screwed then. Thought Corbyn's Labour were the protest party?

I would really like to see a centrist party emerge. I've been a Tory voter since I was 18 years old but I really feel unhappy about supporting a party that includes JRM etc.

@Bow No I am not kidding. I refer you to Yogurty's most recent comment as a Labour supporter.

And just as some of us pointed out earlier, for some Labour supporters it is ALWAYS someone else's fault, and never Labour's.

Why is Corbyn still leading the Labour Party?

I see nothing but self-interest in this move. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.

Being politically homeless only exists if you believe in voting solely between Lab and Con.

And back we come to the problem with FPTP...

You can feel at home all you like with the Greens but with our current two horse set-up it amounts to almost diddly squat in real terms.

Yogurty Blair has been campaigning against Corbyn from day one. He has finally got his wish now. Blair cares more about himself and his friends than the party.

ShatnersWig The problem with a lot of Labour supporters is that the aren't actually socialists. Once we got a socialist leader they didn't like it.

Poor Corbyn, it's never anything he's done. The poor love,

@Skirmisher

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The Labour Party is not and never has been a socialist party. If it was formed as socialist party it would be called 'The Socialist Party'. A lot of people in the party are socialists, but if they want a socialist party they should join one.

The Labour Party is a party of labour. It represents the interests of working people.

tbh I was pretty with corbyn until very recently when it became apparent he has no intention of going forward with labour policy agreed at their conference (the people's vote).

The only point of him surely was that he was representing the groundswell...the groundswell want the people's vote...so where is it?

disclaimer: I'm actually a Green Party member...but like the socialist and democratic aspects of Corbyn and Co. until they proved not to be so democratic after all.

Bowchica I'm not aware that I've expressed any views about Blair. I don't understand why you referred to him in your response to me.

The problem with a lot of Labour supporters is that the aren't actually socialists.

That's a good part of it, there was a reason why Corbyn became leader because the only difference prior to that was a different coloured tie, it's been shown up with Brexit that GDP matters and so right of center monetary policy is what they follow (even some of the vocal Corbyn supporters on here are surprisingly pro Big Business and Banks when it suits).

It wasn't so long ago that Corbyn supporters wanted anyone slightly center out of the party so they should be championing this, as it was apparently based on principals.

Windowsareforcheaters I find your post utterly hilarious.

The problem with a lot of Labour supporters is that the aren't actually socialists. Once we got a socialist leader they didn't like it.

Are there enough actual socialists to win an election without needing the support of non-actual socialists? If so, I'm wrong and will shut up about it, and if not, then then the Labour Party is a failed opposition.

Why is Corbyn still leading the Labour Party?

Because, despite JC massively losing the confidence of his own MPs, most of the party members still chose to vote for him

It's why they did that which beats the heck out of me ...

I agree with that. Tiny Blair and his politics was pretty similar to Cameron. And his party pretty much tolerated it.

I find your post utterly hilarious

Bowchicawowow

Hilarious but historically accurate. Look at Europe all their major left wing parties are 'socialist' the Labour Party was formed out of the labour movement.

It is different in tone, style and substance to European socialist parties.

It’s the cynical way Corbyn and co have enabled May's Brexit debacle hoping it will happen so that they can then swoop in and gain from the post-Brexit fallout. So much for their socialist ideals. It’s fine if the workers are fucked as long as Corbyn, McDonnell, and Milne get their arses in the driving seats.

@Imperfect Got them elected for the first time in almost 20 years though. And put in plenty of policies that wouldn't have been Tory ones. Hard to know how they would have done had John Smith not died, but clearly, over the last 40 years or so, it's proved impossible for Labour to win an election - even one they should have done - with a "socialist" style leader (Corbyn, Foot, Kinnock). Miliband failed because he just didn't cut the mustard, and took far too long to eventually come out with what he and Labour stood for.

Anyone old enough to remember the SDP? I'm not hopeful that a new left-centrist party will be successful.

I certainly am, and I think this lot will be doomed for similar reasons.

They are trying to form a centrist party when Tory policies are directly damaging the poor and the vulnerable, just like Owen et al did in the early days of the first Thatcher administration. What they should be doing is opposing and exposing the harm that is being done to vital public services and how the only growth we're seeing is in food bank use.

It's a serious tactical error to clutch at the coat tails of those who are trying to harm you, and allow the centre to be dragged rightward in their wake. I think they will ultimately fail, just like the Gang of Four did in 1981.

@LakieLady Surely that is a job for an effective opposition party like Labour? Oh hang on a minute...

Bowchicawowow

Check out this book A Party with Socialists In it by Simon Hannah - it's a commonly held view that the LP is not socialist.

I'm surprised you've not heard the idea before.