Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

Jas with a very heavy heart I can not and will not ever vote for Labour whilst Corbyn and his shadow cabinet are in power if that means keeping the conservatives in power then that’s a sacrifice I am will to make. But today showed me a little ray of light at the end of a very dark political tunnel.

@Bow By winning the last snap election. Which they failed to do. Again.

And I’ll vote for them if they can uphold women’s sex based rights and oppose Brexit.

That is literally all I am asking for and it seems too much for the other parties.

But that was under FPTP.

But if we'd had PR, there'd be a fair few UKIP MPs too. Is that what you really want?

kazzy I'd rather have had a few UKIP MPS than have the Tories swing massively tot he right and then...oh yes...Brexit.

ShatnersWig They can only win elections if people stop being so blind and thinking Corbyn will turn the UK into the next Venezuela. There is so much scaremongering around Corbyn which is completely unjustified.

They stood on a Labour party platform 18 months ago. Corbyn was leader then (worse luck) and his (misguided) views on brexit are on record. What has changed since then?

That’s the significant question.

What’s changed isn’t so much Labour’s Brexit (non)policy, but the foot dragging and weasel words over anti-Semitism.

Labour under Corbyn really is loathsome. I think many Labour MPs will hang their heads in shame in a few years and admit that they could and should have done more to oppose this political cancer of Jew hating.

It’s very well for those sitting in the comfort of their own home doing zilch to criticise people actuallly doing something instead of blindly following.

I certainly couldn’t stay working for an institution day in and day out that was anti Semitic , bullying, deaf to criticism and had a leader I was strongly against. Why should they? They have tried to stay and fight, have you? One has been a member for 50 years!!!! How do you tell voters to vote for somebody you actually don’t want in power?

Well done for having a backbone.

Maybe the maj may now actually have somebody to vote for next election. We certainly haven’t now.

But if we'd had PR, there'd be a fair few UKIP MPs too. Is that what you really want?

Yes.

I want true representation of people's votes. Does anyone seriously think FPTP has kept a lid on UKIP? Look around you.

Social mobility is going backwards. Our public transport is a disgrace and the NHS is in slow decline. This is all down to the Tories

Labour is a woeful opposition and so is also to blame for enabling it

Labour have very strongly opposed these Tories policies and esp austerity, it might be the current buzz phrase that Lab/Corbyn have enabled x y or z but it is still complete rubbish.....

Labour do not have the votes in Parliament to stop the Tories doing what the fcuk they like.....even less so now :(

I'd rather have had a few UKIP MPS than have the Tories swing massively tot he right and then...oh yes...Brexit.

Hear hear.

I voted Labour. I am a Labour voter. I have just blocked Momentum on Twitter. Says it all.

The amount of abuse on social media at the moment is good evidence of why they've done what they've done.

@Bow There is so much scaremongering around Corbyn which is completely unjustified

Why do so many voters clearly believe it though? Why aren't Labour able to counteract this and prove it's not true if you say it isn't?

And that doesn't explain why voters didn't vote for Labour under Miliband either in another election they probably should have won.

Labour have many issues but it ain't just Corbyn.

I'm watching my MP nervously to see if he jumps next...I really hope he doesn't. He's a Blairite but a bloody good, dedicated local MP who commands a lot of respect. I'll be so disappointed if he joins the Blair Rich Project.

How can you suddenly endorse a break away group with no policies? If Labour supporters get accused of being cultists then surely the same applies to a group of MP's whose only attributes at present appear to be good public speaking.

Being politically homeless only exists if you believe in voting solely between Lab and Con. Dismissing other established parties but now seemingly happy to jump on the breakaway bandwagon.

But if we'd had PR, there'd be a fair few UKIP MPs too. Is that what you really want?
Yes - they have held council seats locally and they were soon shown up for the utter shower of shite they are - much better than the two main parties trying to cling onto everything and pretend there was no UKIP support.

Why is it that the Tory papers didn't notice until Corbyn became leader?

Being politically homeless only exists if you believe in voting solely between Lab and Con

In FPTP only these two parties have a chance of winning.

Corbyn's labour party do not help themselves. If anti semitism had been properly addressed and he had done better at fighting brexit rather than getting splinters in his arse this wouldn't have happened.

The trouble is a vocal portion of Corbyn supporters do not seem to understand that you are meant to persuade people to vote for you. Not call people blairite scum and accuse them of supporting Tory policy on austerity.

If you are not getting elected you need to ask yourself what you need to do better. Not blame the electorate for getting it wrong.

Are you kidding ShatnersWig? People believe a lot of shit they are told by the press. We only have to look at Brexit to see that's true.

We are homeless voters, I know so many. Last election we had to vote Green and we felt it was such a waste of votes politically however much we agreed with the green issues. Having something else to vote for feels hugely refreshing. Maybe not now but for the future.

I laughed at UKIP once.

Bowchica and Jasjas - we should have won the last election, and we should be putting forward a coherent message which builds public support ready for the next one. At the moment, we are highly unlikely to win a snap election. Corbyn should also be able to unite the parliamentary party behind him, so that it is effective in select committees and in debates. He doesn't have the leadership skills to make that happen.

Corbyn is an unmitigated disaster. I really, really wanted him to be great and I admit voting for him in the first leadership election.

I am so disappointed. But is should have read up on him in more detail and not believed the hype around him. The man hasn’t changed his mind in anything, ever.

Being true to your principles is admirable. Being so stubbornly wedded to an ideology that you can’t ever admit a mistake or change your mind is stupidity of the worst kind.

And I can never forgive him for enabling Aaron Bastani, Owen Jones and Swamy’s Milne. That is who you are actually voting for when you vote for Corbyn’s Labour Party.