Anyone leaving Labour party with Chuka and his mates?

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I am seriously worried. Politics across the West is an utter mess - thanks Putin, nice work - and I can't see that this will help. It will split the left vote and right-wing ideology will continue stomping its way to more power. We are asterisked all ways from hell to breakfast.

I wasn't implying that @bow. I was noting the hypocrisy. No one mentions Long Bailey or Rayner when they talk about people being parachuted in.

The fact remains is that there is a bullying culture within the Labour Party being orchestrated by those who are apparently "socialists".

We need to get rid of FPTP, though

I agree that FPTP is a mess. However, I'm not the country is ready for the kind of coalition politics and horse-trading that PR creates. Didn't work out too well for the Lib Dems did it???

The fact is that the two major parties have extremely polarised positions and policies. A new driving force for centrism is likely to be a good thing.

Only if it breaks the 2 party system, which the Lib Dems could only do when propping up Tory austerity. Add Brexit into the mix and the country will just become more polarised. The country is in free fall and there is no emergency stop button.

And I can't believe that people on this thread are still saying there's no problem with anti-semitism in Labour. I mean, I can believe it. But god it depresses me.

The denials make my skin crawl tbh.

I live in a safe labour seat, over 65,000 voted leave, so did many labour voters across the country. As a Remainer I bloody despair.

I've never voted Tory but the idea from some Labour supporters that it's always someone else's fault (SDP splitting off, the media) rather than Labour's for not winning an election is ludicrous, as Postman rightly points out.

After the coalition, Labour probably ought to have won the next general election but didn't. At the snap election, Labour certainly ought to have won but didn't.

But in neither occasion could it possibly be the fault of Labour itself.

Absolutely, Shatners. I've been a member of the Labour Party since 1979, so when Callaghan was still leader. I've never voted for any other party and have been active in local politics, but not for ages now. Specifically, his lack of legitimacy as a leader (not the leader - I understand that he was properly elected), his hypocrisy over Brexit, and his acceptance of anti-semitism and mysogyny within the party. I also object to being called a Blairite or a class traitor whenever I disagree with Momentum.

The country is in free fall and there is no emergency stop button.

An effective opposition may not be an emergency stop but it should damn well be a bloody good braking system. Especially in a minority government propped up by a vote and supply motion as opposed to an actual coalition. They have singularly and spectacularly failed over the last few years.

Voters punished the Lib Dems enormously for the coalition but it was blatant to see after the Tories won the next election that they HAD been able to keep some Tory policy in check.

I voted conservative at the last election because I believe(d) Corbyn would/will destroy Britain. There is no way on earth I will ever vote for Corbyn and his shadow cabinet. I am currently left in a position of voting for the Conservatives not because I agree with everything they stand for but I voted for them to keep Corbyn out. This is great news for me because I would vote for a centrist party lead by Chuka or one of the more intelligent moderate left/right wing MPs.

I agree that FPTP is a mess. However, I'm not the country is ready for the kind of coalition politics and horse-trading that PR creates. Didn't work out too well for the Lib Dems did it???

But that was under FPTP.

Only if it breaks the 2 party system

Or changes the parties.

A split from Labour adds to the forces on the Labour Party to change. A new centrist grouping in parliament that Tory MPs can threaten to defect to adds force onto Teresa May to start listening to more sensible members of her party rather than Jacob Rees Mogg

Leaders do a combination of what they want plus what they can get away with. Splits can (not always, but can) reduce what they can get away with.

I'm not saying it'll work, but at this stage of the game it's worth a try. The clearest voices in politics since 2010 have been extremist and they've been the dominant force since 2015. Something needs to change.

About time

Since FPTP's favoured by the major parties the self-serving Chucky and his mates won't get anywhere, but somebody had to make a stand against the Corbyn Crew and their Momentum backers. Considering it's 20 months since Jeremy lost the vote of no confidence by a huge margin, I'm only surprised this took so long

It's just a shame that the rabble running the party will almost certainly learn nothing from it

This is the best news in politics for ages imo. I am really hoping for the creation of a centre left party that is free from the leftist woke bro misogyny and anti-semitism. Hope they are GC too so I have someone to vote for.

I voted conservative at the last election because I believe(d) Corbyn would/will destroy Britain.
OK then - you think the Tories aren't destroying Britain? They seem to be making a wonderful job, starting with a referendum in 2016.

Badly I believe Corbyn would destroy it more. Best of two evils

Exactly badlydrawnperson The Tories have caused Brexit by wanting to quieten down their own backbenchers then not having the strength to fight Johnson and Gove when they lied. We are poor and underfunded and we treat disabled and elderly people terribly. Social mobility is going backwards. Our public transport is a disgrace and the NHS is in slow decline. This is all down to the Tories but somehow fucking idiots on this thread are blaming Corbyn.

@Zebra31

Thats worked well for the UK !!!

Unless this new grouping can attract significantly more MPs from both Lab and the Cons, then this split will only help the Tories stay in power and get the v dangerous brexit the ERG want.

a new centrist party is exactly what the country needs

Not if it's going to be all men and non-men like the LibDems and the Greens.

My views on this are slightly coloured by the fact i've had dealings with 2 of the seven, one was my MP when i was a party member (and they were hopeless and embarrassingly out of their depth) and i knew another at university and he was a deeply odd individual (i would have defined them as a religious fundamentalist at that stage of their life), so to see them as the sgining hope of the centre left is slightly laughable. I hold mainstream Labour views and would define my politics as to the left of the ex-Blairite independent group, but to the right of Corbyn and the momentum nutters but I'm seriously pissed off wirh the seven who've flounced. They stood on a Labour party platform 18 months ago. Corbyn was leader then (worse luck) and his (misguided) views on brexit are on record. What has changed since then?

Social mobility is going backwards. Our public transport is a disgrace and the NHS is in slow decline. This is all down to the Tories but somehow fucking idiots on this thread are blaming Corbyn.

I agree that it's down to the Tories, but Labour is a woeful opposition and so is also to blame for enabling it.

I was very impressed by all of them. They actually spoke like real people who had experience of life, and they actually expected those they were speaking to to have intelligence. I'm in (even though my constituency will always be true blue, you could put a ferret in a blue rosette down here and it would be in the HoC before you could say how's your father).

I'm thinking about the episode of the Simpsons where Homer joins the Stonecutter's Club and became leader. He was so awful the rest created the 'No Homer's Club'

There's a huge amount of vitriol on Twitter from the Momentum lot and the hard core Corbyn supporters who are saying the 7 should all force by elections because they stood on a Labour ticket supporting Labour policies and if they no longer support those policies they should stand for re-election.

They don't get it. They still support the policies. What they don't support is the way the party is run, and organised and behaves.

MPs are apparently expected to stand by their election pledges. But, ironically, the Parliamentary Labour Party seems to feel they, as leaders, don't need to honour the decisions made by their membership at conference... (ie, People's Vote).

Yogurty In all honesty how can you possibly say that Labour have enabled it? How could they stop anything the Tories have done?

I welcome this. Lifenlong Labour voter and part member until last year. I resigned my membership because if Corbyn’s stance on Brexit and his totally inability to listen to anyone outside of his bubble.